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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; TXnMA; Quix; Texas Songwriter
That sounds like modalism. LOLOL!

Modalism means that God is one, but appears in three different "modes" (or masks) instead of being three "Persons" in one Godhead.

When you and the Catholic Catechism say that the Father revealed himself through the Son (or the Spirit) that is Modalism!

If you had said that Jesus revealed the Father to us, that would not be Modalism, since anyone can reveal something about another person. But it means something completely different when you say that one person reveals himself though another person, i.e. by taking on the appearance of that person.

806 posted on 09/29/2010 10:00:04 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; TXnMA; Quix; Texas Songwriter
I think you are stumbling over the Law of Identity (A=A and not B) or autonomy.

When you and the Catholic Catechism say that the Father revealed himself through the Son (or the Spirit) that is Modalism!

If so, then I am in good company.

If you had said that Jesus revealed the Father to us, that would not be Modalism, since anyone can reveal something about another person.

The words of God are very clear. The Father sent the Son. The Son sends us.

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. - John 20:21

But you veer off in a different direction here by using the id est:

But it means something completely different when you say that one person reveals himself though another person, i.e. by taking on the appearance of that person.

If Jesus were merely a mask of the Father, then it would be the Father who was crucified.

The Monarchians properly so-called (Modalists) exaggerated the oneness of the Father and the Son so as to make them but one Person; thus the distinctions in the Holy Trinity are energies or modes, not Persons: God the Father appears on earth as Son; hence it seemed to their opponents that Monarchians made the Father suffer and die. In the West they were called Patripassians, whereas in the East they are usually called Sabellians. The first to visit Rome was probably Praxeas, who went on to Carthage some time before 206-208; but he was apparently not in reality a heresiarch, and the arguments refuted by Tertullian somewhat later in his book "Adversus Praxean" are doubtless those of the Roman Monarchians (see PRAXEAS).

Catholic Encyclopedia

But here's what actually happened.

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. - Matt 26:42

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. - Luke 23:34

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God. - John 20:21

God's Name is I AM.

807 posted on 09/29/2010 11:35:30 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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