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To: kosta50; betty boop; Quix
Thank you for sharing your views, dear kosta50!

And once you accept that Jesus is the eternal Logos Incarnate who died on the cross and resurrected on the third day, the New Testament becomes "scripture." Otherwise only the Old Testament is "scripture," etc.

We've been down this road many times and I'm fairly certain that nothing I say will change your mind but I must refute the above statement for the record.

To one without "ears to hear" Scripture is just text on media like any other manuscript.

But to those of us with "ears to hear" they are not at all like common text on media because we know His voice.

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. – John 10:3-5

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

And again,

For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

And again, The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. – Psalms 12:6-7

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. - Isaiah 55:11

Miracles and reasoning will not do - only "ears to hear" which is a gift of God.

And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5

And again,

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25

God's Name is I AM.

765 posted on 09/22/2010 6:43:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
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766 posted on 09/22/2010 6:45:39 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Quix

I hear you. :) I don't mean to make light of it, but every time I read about the voices I think of Laura Branigan's "Gloria" and the lyrics ♫ "Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?"

Not really. Thomas wanted hard (material) proof and wasn't "fired" for it. And Matthew (28:17) makes it clear that even some of Jesus' eleven remaining hand-picked disciples doubted the resurrected Jesus and he didn't make a big deal out of it.

Obviously the Jews must "hear" difference voices, and so do the LDS, and the Muslims, and so on. They all claim to know "the truth." Why should I believe you or anyone else's witness?

And if these "ears" are God's gift, A-G, then there is nothing I can do about it. I guess I am not on the list. But then again, it could be there is no list; just people ♪ "hearing voices in their heads" ♫.

I have been talking about reality and I know my reality, as I am sure you know yours. I suppose yours and mine and everyone else's is slightly different. None of us knows everything. To pretend to know the whole truth is a bit disingenuous in my book.

767 posted on 09/22/2010 11:00:08 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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