The Confession of Cyril Lucaris

The Voice ^ | 1692 | Cyril Lucaris

[don-o]

http://www.patriarchate.org/greek/list/index.php?lang=en&id=202

This thread is ridiculous. Last posting from me. Link above for more details of this doleful chapter.

[lastchance]

I do see your point. But in order not to engender bad feelings I’ll await word from the moderators.

[lastchance]

Arielguard is an Orthodox Christian.

[the_conscience]

I appreciate your intent. Unfortunately some of your coreligionists are unable to control themselves and their only concern is disrupting things around here. You seem to be one of the few reasonable amongst your party so I have no problem with your posting on this thread.

[wagglebee]

I appreciate your intent. Unfortunately some of your coreligionists are unable to control themselves and their only concern is disrupting things around here.

Which post?

[wagglebee]

I think the_conscience only wanted this thread to be open to members of the Orthodox Church who do happen to support the “five solas”.

[lastchance]

Thank you for the invite but I have to finish making a batch of soap. I’ll peek in to see its progress.

[dangus]

It's interesting history.

However his ultimate aim was to reform the Orthodox Church along Calvinistic lines, and to this end he sent many young Greek theologians to the universities of Switzerland, the northern Netherlands and England. In 1629 he published his famous Confessio (Calvinistic doctrine), but as far as possible accommodated to the language and creeds of the Orthodox Church. It appeared the same year in two Latin editions, four French, one German and one English, and in the Eastern Church started a controversy which culminated in 1672 with the convocation by Dositheos, Patriarch of Jerusalem, of the Synod of Jerusalem by which the Calvinistic doctrines were condemned.

Cyril was also particularly well disposed towards the Anglican Church, and his correspondence with the Archbishops of Canterbury is extremely interesting. It was in his time that Mitrophanes Kritopoulos - later to become Patriarch of Alexandria (1636–1639) was sent to England to study. Both Lucaris and Kritopoulos were lovers of books and manuscripts, and many of the items in the collections of books and these two Patriarchs acquired manuscripts that today adorn the Patriarchal Library.

Lucaris was several times temporarily deposed and banished at the instigation of both his Orthodox opponents and the Jesuits, who were his bitterest enemies. Finally, when the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV was about to set out for the Persian War, the patriarch was accused of a design to stir up the Cossacks, and to avoid trouble during his absence the Sultan had him killed by the Janissaries on June 27, 1638 aboard a ship in the Bosporus. His body was thrown into the sea, but it was recovered and buried at a distance from the capital by his friends, and only brought back to Constantinople after many years.

No relation.

[dangus]

It's interesting history.

However his ultimate aim was to reform the Orthodox Church along Calvinistic lines, and to this end he sent many young Greek theologians to the universities of Switzerland, the northern Netherlands and England. In 1629 he published his famous Confessio (Calvinistic doctrine), but as far as possible accommodated to the language and creeds of the Orthodox Church. It appeared the same year in two Latin editions, four French, one German and one English, and in the Eastern Church started a controversy which culminated in 1672 with the convocation by Dositheos, Patriarch of Jerusalem, of the Synod of Jerusalem by which the Calvinistic doctrines were condemned.

Cyril was also particularly well disposed towards the Anglican Church, and his correspondence with the Archbishops of Canterbury is extremely interesting. It was in his time that Mitrophanes Kritopoulos - later to become Patriarch of Alexandria (1636–1639) was sent to England to study. Both Lucaris and Kritopoulos were lovers of books and manuscripts, and many of the items in the collections of books and these two Patriarchs acquired manuscripts that today adorn the Patriarchal Library.

Lucaris was several times temporarily deposed and banished at the instigation of both his Orthodox opponents and the Jesuits, who were his bitterest enemies. Finally, when the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV was about to set out for the Persian War, the patriarch was accused of a design to stir up the Cossacks, and to avoid trouble during his absence the Sultan had him killed by the Janissaries on June 27, 1638 aboard a ship in the Bosporus. His body was thrown into the sea, but it was recovered and buried at a distance from the capital by his friends, and only brought back to Constantinople after many years.

No relation.

[the_conscience]

It’s such an interesting story that it’s twice as nice?

I know you’re a Romanist but do the Easterners consider him a great martyr for their religion?

[dangus]

Since he was condemned as a heretic, I guess not. But Orthodox don’t seem to think in patterns which I find predictable, so I’m hesitant to draw any syllogisms.

[dangus]

Oh, by the way... The term is “Catholic,” not “Romanist.” Just as “Orthodox” doesn’t imply that Catholics aren’t orthodox, neither does Catholic imply that Orthodox aren’t catholic. A Protestant (or other non-Catholic Christian) calling a Catholic “Romanist” is just as offensive as a Catholic calling a Protestant “Apostate” or “Schismatic.”

For the record, the Vatican isn’t in Rome. It’s in exile, across the Tiber, from Babylon. (Hence, “crossing the Tiber” is a deeply ironic expression, since the person who “crosses the Tiber” from the Catholic Church would be entering Babylon.)

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Pass the popcorn.

It looks as though this ... unique ... "Caucus" designation might not hold water.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

To: netmilsmom; Religion Moderator

I was under the impression that an article that is openly critical of those outside the Caucus does not qualify for Caucus status, so I did not use it for this particular thread.

RM, clarification?

25 posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:13:01 PM by Dr. Brian Kopp

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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

You are correct. On the basis of the title alone, the article does not qualify for a caucus label.

26 posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:29:52 PM by Religion Moderator

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I was under the impression that an article that is openly critical of those outside the Caucus does not qualify for Caucus status, so I did not use it for this particular thread.

RM, clarification?

You are correct. On the basis of the title alone, the article does not qualify for a caucus label.

[the_conscience]

Dear RM,

Like a horde of Turks bent on sacking Byzantine the Romanist have run roughshod over our caucus.

We non-Romanists realize that Romanists believe they are above the rule of law. Here’s an opportunity for our Romanist FRiends to learn a true American value.

Please delete posts: 2,14,15,17,20,25,26,28,29,31,32, and 33.

Thank you.

[Salvation]

Some of the precepts listed are also precepts of the Catholic Church — all 22 rites. This needs to be an open thread.

[Salvation]

**This statement clearly refers to the pope, so the caucus designation needs to come off.**

I agree. At the least is could be ecumenical, but it is wrought with errors begging to be corrected.

[Salvation]

**It looks as though this ... unique ... “Caucus” designation might not hold water. **

LOL!

[wagglebee]

I don’t see what it should even be ecumenical. The Orthodox totally REJECTED this confession at the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672.

This makes as much sense as having a “Nestorian/Catholic” Caucus.

[Salvation]

 

 

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