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To: Quix
Quix, here is what I was responding to, in post 610 ******************************************************* “Tell us where in the Bible that we are told to take the tradition of men on equal standing with the Word of God. Every time Jesus encountered that mindset, He condemned it and responded with *It is written....*. ******************************************************

I just don't see Christ condemning tradition EVERY TIME He encountered that "mindset," and responding with "it is written. Rather He FULFILLED what was written, except in a couple of cases.

And the stuff after the Gospels was said by someone else, not Christ.

742 posted on 07/19/2010 10:32:45 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix
But, but there's SO MUCH OF IT!!!

LOL!

751 posted on 07/19/2010 10:56:19 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'd rather take my chances with someone misusing freedom than someone misusing power.)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix; metmom
I just don't see Christ condemning tradition EVERY TIME He encountered that "mindset," and responding with "it is written. Rather He FULFILLED what was written, except in a couple of cases.

I don't think anyone has said Jesus condemned ALL traditions. The scriptures I've posted many were addressed to the religious rulers of his day - the Pharisees, the Sadducee's and the Scribes and Sanhedrin members. They were the "organized religions" of their day. They had a lot of made up rules as well as twisted versions of God's laws.

In one example, his disciples were being watched and someone tattled on them that they didn't wash their hands the right way before they ate. Another time Jesus was verbally abused because he healed a person on the Sabbath day, there were other examples but they boiled down to people in power positions in the religious communities all had their own little sets of rules. And they used these convoluted traditions sometimes to help themselves get an upper advantage over others or to extort money.

What Jesus was trying to open their minds and hearts to is the "spirit" of the laws on which the traditions were based. For an example, when Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath, the leaders practically wanted to string Jesus up. But he stopped them by asking which one of them who had a sheep or oxen caught in a ditch would not go out and save it even if it was the Sabbath? He explained to them that the Sabbath was made for the man and not man for the Sabbath.

One sneaky traditions they had was instead of giving money set aside to help their parents in need, they would instead say the money was set aside for God. They would be let out of their obligation to honor their mothers and fathers yet they would keep their money. Jesus disparaged their traditions about divorce, too. Each time he reiterated the Biblical mandates for the laws and any tradition which did not align to the spirit as well as the letter of the law was called out. They really started to hate him when he got to talking about Jesus saying he forgave a man's sins. They knew this meant he thought he was God since only God could forgive a man's sin.

The point is not that ALL traditions are wrong or unneeded but each one must be viewed under the light of scripture so that we know what is truly from God and what is from man. What is applicable to our Christian walk today and what may not be relevant anymore. Not all thing are expedient.

755 posted on 07/19/2010 11:28:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
It appears yet again

that we have very different Bibles.

Mine seems to have very different content than yours does.

I'll continue to trust mine.

I haven't done a recheck and tally of every last case in the Gospels.

However, I'd trust you to be honest about it . . . Perhaps you'd be willing to document for us, those cases where Christ confronted such a mentality with something

OTHER THAN

IT IS WRITTEN

*AS A POINT OF AUTHORITY!* ???

He sent word to John the Baptist about His miracles. That was not a Pharisee He was responding to.

He pointed to His miracles another time or 3. I don't recall in response to whom. I think one of those times may have been the Pharisees. IIRC, He also mentioned in the same exchange IT IS WRITTEN or something similar.

Maybe

Uri’el-2012; &/or Alex Murphy;

can help us out on this.

REGARDLESS . . .

AS CREATOR GOD STANDING IN THEIR FACES

HE STILL REFERRED TO

IT IS WRITTEN

****AS THE POINT OF FINAL AUTHORITY!****

HIS DOING THAT *ONCE* WAS/IS SUFFICIENT

TO TRASH THE WHOLE VATICAN CONTENTION

ABOUT

!!!!TRADITION!!!!

BEING EQUAL TO

THE WORD OF GOD.

For any individual, group or organization to elevate their own notions of reality, their own constructions on reality--WHETHER BASED ON

their fantasies about !!!!TRADITION!!!! or star gazing or tea leaves or chicken entrals or liver quivers or

ANY

OTHER THING

Is STILL a horrendously blasphemous affront, insult, rebellion against the LIVING WORD--JESUS THE CHRIST--AS WELL AS AGAINST HIS WRITTEN WORD throughout the New Testament.

PAUL ALSO ENSCRIPTURATED CHRIST'S WORDS in his letters. Rebelling against that fact is rebelling against Christ AND HIS--IT IS WRITTEN.

REBELLION is NOT a FRUIT OF HOLY SPIRIT. And the harvest is different accordingly.

771 posted on 07/20/2010 1:34:41 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Judith Anne
And the stuff after the Gospels was said by someone else, not Christ.

The Holy Spirit ....

803 posted on 07/20/2010 7:37:40 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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