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To: MarkBsnr
Hmmmm, Jesus rather seems to put His mother and siblings in their place more times than not.

Since Jesus had no blood sibling, I will pay attention to Mary's role and the context of Scripture.

The sons and daughters of Mary would be a whole other thread exposing the anochronistic interpretation by the RCC. Maybe another time.

Luke 11: has Jesus winding up into full preaching; the calling out was an irrelevancy in the context of his speech and he dismissed it in the context of his teachings. Read Luke 11: from beginning to end and see.

Strange, then how Luke thought it appropriate to include such an irrelevant exchange in his Gospel.

If this passage is to be taken face value, then Mary goes to Jesus and says: Hey - do something!!!! We're here at this wedding and you're contributing nothing and they're outta wine. Get moving. Jesus says: No way. I'm not ready yet. Mary says to the wait staff: Get moving and do what He tells you to (and behind the scenes - get moving you). So Jesus gives them the best wine.

So on the face of it, Jesus disses his mother in public, but when it comes down to crunch time, He does what she asks. Yeah, that's putting her into place. And very Jewish, by the way...

Answer me this: if Jesus had no special relationship with his mother, then why would this exchange occur:

He "disses" her more than once. Not sure how telling Jesus they are out of wine indicates a "special" relationship more so than any other relative or disciple. Did those around Jesus at the time of His other miracles also have a "special" relationship with Him?

Certainly Jesus loved His mother, but seemed to go out of His way to make clear that she was not part of His ministry. They relationship was that of Mother and Son.

She does seem to be the only He "disses" who is loosley connected to any of His miracles, which I believe is actually a subtle attempt by Jesus to prevent the inclination of some to elevate Mary to an object of worship of Mary.

7,233 posted on 08/06/2010 7:11:59 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee

Now I understand no matter how many opinions from friends. I have to be very very careful about everyone`s advice. It seems the words which touched our heart are the right words. But sometimes. Our heart was messy. Or we don`t have enough experience to decide what we should do. Then finally. Prayer is the only way we should do before we make a decision.

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I AGREE.


7,238 posted on 08/06/2010 7:46:47 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bkaycee; MarkBsnr; betty boop; Mad Dawg; yvette; Alamo-Girl; metmom

A lot of things were/are significant about that epic moment at Cana.

MarkB says : “if this passage is to be taken at face value , then Mary goes to Jesus and says: Hey—do something!!!! We’re at this wedding and you’re contributing nothing and they’re outta wine. Get moving. Jesus says No way. I’m not ready yet. Mary says to the staff: get moving......so on the face of it, Jesus disses his mother in public, but when it comes down to crunch time, He does what she asks. Yeah, that’s putting her in her place. And very Jewish, by the way.”

I heard a conference given by the late, great Archbishop Fulton Sheen about this public moment of Jesus the Lord.

First of all, the good and learned Bishop said that the accurate translation of what Jesus said to his mother was “What is to me, is to you”—NOT “what is that to you”. The words “what is to me is to you” hearkens back to the prophecy of Simeon when Joseph and Mary presented Jesus in the temple. That passage also occurs in Luke’s Gospel. Simeon told Mary that a “sword would pierce her heart, that would lay bear the thoughts of many”. It was a prophecy of Mary’s suffering in the hour of her son’s Passion, and that the sword that pierced his heart would reverberate to hers.

Also, every time that Jesus refers to his “hour” He is speaking of his Passion; every time He mentions his Day, it refers to his Resurrection and Coming in Glory.

We read in Luke that Mary, at the Annunciation of Gabriel, was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. That overshadowing surely must have remained with her—even as today we Christians believe with our whole hearts that we are helped and comforted and guided by the Holy Spirit-—and surely the Holy Spirit’s presence in the house of Nazareth was never gone, for the Incarnate Word was there —for 30 years.

Someone had to tell Mary that there was no more wine. We aren’t told who that person was, ,but we can easily believe that Mary was moved by the Holy Spirit to let her Son know. Mary’s response to that prompting led her to inform her Son. She didn’t tell him what to do. She didn’t think He “wasn’t contributing anything”. She didn’t say “get moving”. She simply let Him know that there was no more wine. Period. Then she spoke to the chief steward: “Do whatever He tells you”. This is—and always is—Mary’s only message to us—we who are in the bridal party of the great Wedding Feast of the Lamb.

Those poorest of the poor in that area, witnesses to the opening of the public ministry of the Lord, are our forebears—we who are the poorest of the poor—the anawim of the Lord—yet richly blessed and relieved of our thirst for union with Him. Because He heard his mother’s report of their need He responded to it, just as He knew from all eternity that He was going to do that day.

Mary’s intercession was for those whose need was made known to her and she spoke to her Son on their behalf.

Interesting that Luke’s Gospel closes with Jesus at another meal—one to which he was invited—in which “He was recognized at the breaking of the bread.”


7,247 posted on 08/06/2010 9:38:21 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: bkaycee
The sons and daughters of Mary would be a whole other thread exposing the anochronistic interpretation by the RCC. Maybe another time.

You mean that Mary went back in time and had other children?

Strange, then how Luke thought it appropriate to include such an irrelevant exchange in his Gospel.

I think that Luke was indicating the influence that Mary had on Jesus.

He "disses" her more than once. Not sure how telling Jesus they are out of wine indicates a "special" relationship more so than any other relative or disciple. Did those around Jesus at the time of His other miracles also have a "special" relationship with Him?

Did anybody else get Jesus to do something that he plainly stated that he wasn't going to do?

She does seem to be the only He "disses" who is loosley connected to any of His miracles, which I believe is actually a subtle attempt by Jesus to prevent the inclination of some to elevate Mary to an object of worship of Mary.

He disses Peter as well on several occasions.

7,332 posted on 08/06/2010 4:49:38 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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