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To: Deo volente
I am no Ph.D, nor a Ph.D's son. I am a (former) herder of sheep. I would dress sycamores if I didn't think they looked fine nekkid.

I think it always gets us in trouble to try to use hypothesis contrary to fact (or, in this case, to dogma) because you can't change one thing without opening up changes to all the other things. "Suppose God had Not done such and such ...." well how many other things would He have done or not done?

In the Narnia books Aslan always rebuffs questions about what might have been.

I think the significant item in the objection is the assumption that our arguments are intentionally specious, in the sense of falsely attractive. And that's significant not only because it reveals the cultural suspicion that ALL of Catholicism is wily but because it implicitly accepts the contention of both Freud and Marx that pure reason is really non-existent or that, if it exists, it is not authoritative. An argument cannot stand, it seems to be thought, if it turns out there is some hidden motive.

Consider this! If I say All man are mortal; Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal, the validity of that is held to depend on my sincerity and candor! I think whether I wish Socrates dead or wish he could live forever, the Argument stands.

6,576 posted on 08/04/2010 1:40:45 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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To: Mad Dawg

Very good!

The whole question is moot (in my mind, at least) since God knew from eternity that Mary would say “Yes” to His wonderful Plan. He preserved her from original sin according to His own designs because it was supremely fitting for His Son to be born of an immaculate Virgin. That was His Plan.
Who are we to murmur against God and try to second-guess Him? That would be the ultimate in folly.


6,582 posted on 08/04/2010 1:50:11 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
An argument cannot stand, it seems to be thought, if it turns out there is some hidden motive.

NOT AT ALL. I'm a bit perturbed that you'd say that.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT AT ALL.

Those are 2 different issues that just happen to both be evident in the case of the

MISLEADING,
FALSE,
SEDUCTIVE,
MANIPULATIVE
TITLE OF
"MOTHER OF GOD."

Mary was
NOT AT ALL
THE MOTHER OF ALMIGHTY GOD!
That's a simple fact.

REMOTELY IMPLYING SHE WAS,

IT IS GREATLY WORSE--BRAZENLY STATING IT
AS FAR AS
100'S OF MILLIONS OF FOLKS OF
ALL TYPES OF PERSUASIONS AROUND THE WORLD
--INCLUDING UNTHINKING, SIMPLE FOLK, BLIND FAITH TYPES OF
ROMAN CATHOLICS THE WORLD OVER

It not only causes confusion. it increases idolatry and blasphemy.

The Pope and the magicsterical are bright enough to know that. Yet they perpetuate the lie.

THAT'S DREADFUL, NO MATTER HOW ONE SLICES IT.

6,586 posted on 08/04/2010 1:57:14 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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