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To: Natural Law; TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; ...
Are you incapable of telling the truth even when it is so easily verifiable? Declaring an anathema is not damming anyone to hell. In fact, the Church has never claimed the ability to adjudicate anyone's salvation or damn anyone to hell. That is between you and God. An anathema is simply an administrative pronouncement a step above simple excommunication in which it instructs those remaining in communion to not have any interactions with those anathematized.

lolol.

Anathema = eternal damnation to hell.

Obviously it behooves the RCC to shroud its insanity in current ecumenical platitudes. None of that changes the truth, however.

From the following essay by a former nun here (cue "shooting of the messenger" music)...

ECUMENICISM AND THE COUNCIL OF TRENT

ANATHEMAS

According to the 1913 edition of the “Catholic Encyclopedia,” when the Catholic Church anathematizes someone, the Pope ritually puts curses on them. There is a solemn written ritual for doing this. The “Catholic Encyclopedia” article describes the ritual in detail, including extensive quotations from it. (You can read this article online.) [Note 4]

In pronouncing the anathema, the Pope wears special vestments. He is assisted by twelve priests holding lighted candles. Calling on the name of God, the Pope pronounces a solemn ecclesiastical curse. He ends by pronouncing sentence and declaring that the anathematized person is condemned to hell with Satan. The priests reply, “Fiat!” (Let it be done!) and throw down their candles.

As we will see, the Catholic Church considers heresy (disagreement with Catholic doctrine) to be a crime. The Council of Trent, and other Church councils, declare that any person who disagrees with even one of their doctrinal statements is thereby anathematized.

When the Pope pronounces an anathema, he is said to be passing sentence on a criminal. The “Catholic Encyclopedia” says that the anathema ritual is deliberately calculated to terrify the “criminal” and cause him to repent (in other words, to unconditionally submit to the Catholic Church).

For those whose crime is heresy, repentance means renouncing everything that they have said or done which conflicts with Catholic doctrine. In other words, they have to renounce their own conscience and discernment, and the conclusions which they reached in their best efforts to understand Biblical principles. And they have to submit their minds and wills unconditionally to every official doctrinal declaration of the Catholic Church. As we will see, Canon Law says that this unquestioning submission of the mind and will is required.

OFFICIAL MODERN ENDORSEMENT OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT

The declarations and anathemas of the Council of Trent have never been revoked. On the contrary, the decrees of the Council of Trent are confirmed by both the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) and the official “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (1992)...


6,500 posted on 08/04/2010 11:17:07 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law; TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; the_conscience
He ends by pronouncing sentence and declaring that the anathematized person is condemned to hell with Satan. The priests reply, “Fiat!” (Let it be done!) and throw down their candles.

Fire away boys it means nothing!

They have no power to save. They have no power to condemn. It's a bunch of ritualistic mumbo jumbo. This kind of nonsense condemns them. They have taken the legitimate issue of church discipline and twisted it into a tool to make members subservient to them.

I pray that those who see this for what it is turn to Jesus. The alternative is He will tell them "I never knew you".

6,526 posted on 08/04/2010 11:50:20 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Excellent points.

I find it fascinating . . . purportedly our postings are so empty of all that’s significant, sane, rational etc. . . . yet we get so much flack!

I don’t understand this obsession with what they construe as chaff or less. LOL.

Obviously, there’s some cognitive dissonance going on between some ears.


6,528 posted on 08/04/2010 11:53:52 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law
When is a curse, not a curse? When Rome says so ...

There is so much confusion..

An anathema is simply an administrative pronouncement a step above simple excommunication in which it instructs those remaining in communion to not have any interactions with those anathematized. (from Natural Law)

Yet the also tell us that once a catholic ALWAYS a catholic, that like it or not we are under rome.. they need to make up their minds.. are we excommunicated or not??

6,542 posted on 08/04/2010 12:27:05 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"From the following essay by a former nun here ..."

To quote Ronald Reagan; "There you go again!"

You cite another bogus lying source as your proof. A former Catholic nun? Riiiiggghhhhtttt!

You do realize that a liar citing another liar does sot generate a truth, right? Mary Ann Collins considers herself a former nun although she never took her vows. On all her publications and websites, she lists herself as, "Mary Ann Collins: Former Catholic Nun". She admits she was expelled from the convent she attended but the religious order or convent she attended remains mysterious. She refuses to say where she attended and no one has admitted that Mary Ann Collins attended a convent even as a novice.

The 1917 Code of Canon Law, which abolished all ecclesiastical penalties not mentioned in the Code itself (canon 6), made "anathema" synonymous with "excommunication" (canon 2257). There is no ritual or provisions for anathema included in the post-Vatican II revision of the Pontifical.

Note: Fact checking does not mean checking to see if the "fact" agrees with you.

6,560 posted on 08/04/2010 1:09:39 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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