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To: Mad Dawg

That would depend on what the good is. If the good isn’t really good then it should be thrown out. Just because a conclusion is valid from a set of premises doesn’t necessarily imply Truth if there are other hidden premises.


6,425 posted on 08/04/2010 9:34:18 AM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience; Quix
Just because a conclusion is valid from a set of premises doesn’t necessarily imply Truth if there are other hidden premises.

"hidden premises?"

So you and Quix are on an 'evil, sneaky, Catholics' kick? What's up with that?

Just because a conclusion is valid from a set of premises doesn’t necessarily imply Truth ...

Well here's the big difference: For us, if the premises in the explicit argument are true, if the conclusion is validly drawn, then that's it, no matter the psychological or crafty and insidious motivations of the people making the argument.

If that's not true, then what the heck are we doing here and what it the purpose of criticizing one another's premises and arguments? We might just as well get our weapons and shoot it out.

A valid conclusion can be used with false propositions to draw false new conclusions. A valid conclusion can be misrepresented to ill effect. I've mentioned my observation of a mother telling her 4 year old that Jesus was made sad by the child's misbehavior. If that's true, to say that to use guilt to motivate a child is, IMHO, vicious. What a 4 year old needs to hear is that Jesus loves him. When that's digested, then we can go on to what our misdeeds mean to Him.

But if the premises are true, the logic valid, then the conclusion is true. Otherwise there's no point in this.

6,503 posted on 08/04/2010 11:20:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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