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To: stfassisi
The Holy people God entrusted to give you Bible canon say the Deuterocanonical books are the word of God.

By this I assume you are speaking of the "fact that the Roman Catholic Church gave us the Bible" ? It's always the post that follows anything on extra-biblical teachings/doctrines.

The early Christians did NOT receive the Bible from the ROman Catholic Church. They received the Bible from the Holy Spirit, who inspired it.

And in case you feel the need to argue that point, I'll show you what the First Vatican Council said about this:

These books the church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed unaided by human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church. - First Vatican Council.

6,384 posted on 08/04/2010 8:20:09 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice
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INDEED!

6,387 posted on 08/04/2010 8:24:15 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: smvoice

“”I’ll show you what the First Vatican Council said about this:””

Glad to see you give credit to Vatican 1

Now here is the rest of it...
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#SESSION%203%20:%2024%20April%201870

Now since the decree on the interpretation of holy scripture, profitably made by the council of Trent, with the intention of constraining rash speculation, has been wrongly interpreted by some, we renew that decree and declare its meaning to be as follows: that

* in matters of faith and morals,
* belonging as they do to the establishing of christian doctrine,
* that meaning of holy scripture must be held to be the true one,
* which holy mother church held and holds,
o since it is her right to judge of the true meaning and interpretation of holy scripture.

# In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret holy scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers.


6,390 posted on 08/04/2010 8:32:58 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: smvoice
they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church.

TO those of us familiar with the idea of secondary causes this quote supports our contention. We don't say the Church created the Bible or wrote it. WE say that the text is, as your quote says inspired by the Spirit, authored by God, and committed to the Church.

The Church acting on that commission (Not "mission" means "sent" just as apostle does), laboriously defined (inspired by God) the canon, so the we don't hold the Letters of Barnabas or Hermas or the Acts of Pilate as the inspired, God-authored Bible.

The Church copied, translated (with variable results), copied some more, and made available the Bible authored by God, and handed down as the Supreme Tradition by the God-directed Church.

There is a slander that the Church withheld the Bible from the people. I laugh every time I remember I my putting up the history of various Catholic groups translating the Bible into many vernacular editions (complete or in part). The guy I was talking to essentially said, Well your source is the Catholic Encyclopedia so it can't be true.

ALRIGHTY then!

6,472 posted on 08/04/2010 10:30:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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