[Mad Dawg]

I'm trying to shut down for the night here. I just was trying to clarify usage.

The Trinity is hard. But it was clearly "God the Son of God" whom Mary conceived. I find it less outrageous if I think of Philippians and the humility of God and His willingness to "bear any burden" to sneak into the world.

In one of our ancient hymns, the Te Deum, we say

Tu, ad liberandum suscepturus hominem, non horuisti Virginis uterum.

You, when you resolved to free man, did not abhor the Virgin's womb.

This is addressed to "Tu Rex gloriae, Christe" -- You, the king of glory, O Christ"

Certainly the Father was not conceived in the Virgin's womb. And the Holy Spirit made it happen, so He wasn't conceived -- it was by His power that the conceiving happened.

On the other hand the Son is God.

My head is exploding.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind reply.

[Quix]

Perhaps it would help to illustrate it this way.

Calling Mary the MOTHER OF GOD

is as huge a distortion or a BIGGER distortion of fact

than calling infanticide A CHOICE.

IT IS MANGLING LANGUAGE AND REALITY TOWARD A TARGETED GOAL.

I am fiercely against abortionists doing it.

It is even more ghastly for Christians to do it.

IF THE TARGETED GOAL WAS NOT SUCH A HUGE DEAL, the Vatican would have long ago said something like--oh, right, we were playing loosey goosey with language and theology. We're sorry. We'll call her from now on, the Mother of the Incarnate Christ.

THEY HAVEN'T AND THEY WON'T BECAUSE THE ULTERIOR MOTIVE IS TOO HIGH A PRIORITY. THAT'S DISHONEST. THAT'S FAR FROM CHRISTIAN. That's a seduction from hell.