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To: Mad Dawg
From my survey (which I just made up out of my own head) Most non-catholics in LA county spend between 42 and 60 hours a week sleeping and between 2 and 14 hours a week in church.<.i>

And yet they want gullible old me to think Jesus is the msot important thing in their lives.

That's because we know something that maybe you don't...Jesus is not in the church...Or the Church...Jesus is in the believer...

We are with Jesus at home...We are with Him at the Laundromat...We are with Jesus at the High School football game...

Most non-Catholics in the FR Religion forum (other made up data) spend most of their time talking about how awful Catholic teaching is and hardly mention Jesus at all, and yet they want me to think Jesus .....

Tsk, Tsk...You're about the only Catholic on FR that mentions Jesus, and not all that often...As close as most of you can get to it is saying the word 'Christ'...

And close to your argument, Most Sola Scriptura folks on the Fr Religion Forum rarely mention Jesus but mention the Bible in almost every post. Clearly they are only deceiving us when they say that Jesus is more important to them than Scripture. How gullible do they think I am!

That's a completely inaccurate statement...But regardless, the scriptures are the words of God...So who, believing that, would not want to spend as much time in the scriptures as possible??? How can you separate Jesus from the scriptures???

5,911 posted on 08/03/2010 5:37:01 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; Mad Dawg
MD: And close to your argument, Most Sola Scriptura folks on the Fr Religion Forum rarely mention Jesus but mention the Bible in almost every post. Clearly they are only deceiving us when they say that Jesus is more important to them than Scripture. How gullible do they think I am!

iscool: That's a completely inaccurate statement...But regardless, the scriptures are the words of God...So who, believing that, would not want to spend as much time in the scriptures as possible??? How can you separate Jesus from the scriptures???

You can't separate Jesus from the Scriptures. Scripture is how we know detail about Jesus and it is the authority with which we back up what we say so that people know that we're not just making up stuff about God. Creation gives general revelation about God and His nature.

Romans 1: 18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Psalm 19:1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.
There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.
Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world....

Scripture is special revelation by God about Himself, giving us what we need to know to enter a right relationship with HIM.

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

John 5:39You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, ....

Acts 8:34-36 The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

Acts 18:28 For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.

Romans 15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

2 Timothy 3:14-16 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

5,915 posted on 08/03/2010 6:01:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Iscool
That's because we know something that maybe you don't...Jesus is not in the church...Or the Church...Jesus is in the believer...
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That's a completely inaccurate statement...But regardless, the scriptures are the words of God...So who, believing that, would not want to spend as much time in the scriptures as possible??? How can you separate Jesus from the scriptures???

You are making my case. Catholics also believe Jesus in in the believer. Duh. Saints are believers. Mary is a believer. Jesus is in them. Jesus is who made them Holy. Our cult of saints exists because of what we think and believe of Jesus and what we praise him for.

The whole point of my post was that using the names of Churches as a metric of the direction of devotion is bogus. But I knew none of you would believe it if I made the case directly. (At least none of you has questioned the argument.)

So I made a parody of the argument and directed against non-Catholics. Immediately thee non-Catholics rose up to protest the argument.

So my case is made. I lifted my arms, but the Lord parted the sea.

5,919 posted on 08/03/2010 6:48:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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To: Iscool; Mad Dawg
Tsk, Tsk...You're about the only Catholic on FR that mentions Jesus, and not all that often...As close as most of you can get to it is saying the word 'Christ'...

And close to your argument, Most Sola Scriptura folks on the Fr Religion Forum rarely mention Jesus but mention the Bible in almost every post. Clearly they are only deceiving us when they say that Jesus is more important to them than Scripture. How gullible do they think I am!

That's a completely inaccurate statement...But regardless, the scriptures are the words of God...So who, believing that, would not want to spend as much time in the scriptures as possible??? How can you separate Jesus from the scriptures???

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INDEED.

5,934 posted on 08/03/2010 7:38:24 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Iscool
Jesus is not in the church...Or the Church In Colossians Paul says, "He is the head of the Body, the Church."

You say Jesus is not in the body of which he is the head.

I'm going with Paul on this one.

6,211 posted on 08/03/2010 7:49:54 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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