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To: Mad Dawg

Well, then how about you enlighten me? Because, from Genesis to Revelation, Mary seems to be there. From EVe, through the Ark, through Isaiah’ s prophecies, Daniel’s prophecies, the NT, all the way to Revelation, we have the Virgin Mary in your church’s doctrines, traditions, whatever. And wherever she is, is where the Catholic Church is.


5,849 posted on 08/02/2010 9:21:40 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice
Enlightening people is beyond my competence. But when I'm elected Pope I'll put you on speed-dial, okay?

To argue with us, you have to understand us a little. WE think there aren't a bunch of Churches. There is one. All baptized people are members of it. Some are kind of separated, some or on the fringes, some are right in there.

I don't spend a lot of time on this question. I think the place of Israel in the cosmic scheme has never been 'de Fide'. I am gathering the impression that Vatican II took some new steps in thinking about Israel.

We still pray for them and for God's beneficence on them. We wouldn't turn down a Jew who wanted to be a Christian. There is a sense that somehow the Church, made of Jews and gentiles, then and now, sort of subsumes Israel, eschatologically speaking.

But there's another sense that the Jews are pretty wonderful as they are, and that God will take care of the details.

BTW I don't see how the role of Israel could be separated from the idea of varying and progressing revelations and dispensations.

But I, moiself, am going to sleep now. YAY!

5,861 posted on 08/02/2010 9:35:50 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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