What blasphemy to say that Jesus death isn't sufficient to cleanse ALL our sins and that we still have to pay for them. If we could pay for any of our sins, then we could pay for all of them and Jesus didn't have to need to die.
There is no Scriptural justification for the doctrine of purgatory, but you know, I guess all those Catholics who are burning in hell will be able to comfort themselves with the thought that it won't be forever, even though they've been deceived into thinking that. They'll need something to hang on to while they're waiting for an end that will never come.
To: metmom
Oh quite the contrary.
We know that our sins are forgiven, yet we still sin.
Are they forgiven before we have committed them?
Are they forgiven before we have confessed them?
Are they forgiven before we have repented of them?
Revelations tells us no unclean thing can enter heaven.
In the Gospel of Matthew 12:31-32, Jesus says that the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. This in Jesus’ own words tells us that some sins can be forgiven, even after death, since the earthly life is one age, and the eternal life another.
Then in 1 John 1:9-10, we hear, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” So, how are these sins forgiven.?
If we have unforgiven sins at the time of our death, how can we ask forgiveness? And if we haven’t asked forgiveness for those sins, how can Jesus cleanse us? We’re dead, we can’t speak with our mouth or our heart.
Hebrews tells us the righteous in heaven have been perfected. How are the righteous perfected? When?
1 Corinthians tells us that each man’s work will be tested as though by fire, and if that work survives, the builder will receive a reward, if the work is consumed, the builder will suffer its loss and yet be saved, but only as through fire.
The purifying fire, if that is what happens in Purgatory is not the same as the punishing fire of hell.
We also don’t know if the fire is just a metaphor for the burning of love for Jesus in our hearts that convicts us and makes us ready to be with him.
No one perfectly knows their sin or perfectly confesses them. When we are judged, we will see many sins that we didn’t even register when they occurred.
Purgatory is a gift from God so that though we are still imperfect upon our death, uncleansed of sin, we are not denied life with Him.
I repeat my entire post so that everyone here can see that the words INSUFFICIENT or PAY for our sins is no where to be found in my reply concerning purgatory.
Please, do me the courtesy and show to me and the others here where I said that Jesus’ death was insufficient to cleanse us of ALL of our sins. In fact, it is so sufficient that He even grants us forgiveness of them after we have died and did not have a chance to confess them.
Is JOHN a part of God’s Word or not? Does not John say that if we confess, HE will forgive us?
Once saved a Christian never sins again? Once saved a Christian need never again ask for forgiveness? Does that make John a liar? For those are HIS words not mine.
The part about forgiveness after this age are the words of JESUS not me.
Knee jerkiness seems to be a rather common ailment on this thread.