As a FOIL? You hoist yourselves from the actual words from the Vatican sites and the testimonies of life long, formally educated Catholics. It's the Vatican's own words that do the hoisting.
In a discussion of the actual teachings of the Catholic Church you really, really look compromised when you insist that the actual teachings of the Church be excluded. It reveals that you only want to make a point and do not care what the truth might be.
Why don't you explain why you think you are qualified to offer a valid opinion on Church doctrine and dogma without any direct quotations or study of the subject and why that same standard is not to be applied to any other endeavor such as science, medicine or law.