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To: Jvette; boatbums
To be in full communion with the Church, which is the keeper of the deposit of faith, one must believe these things. The Church condemns no person to hell.

Sure it does. It's full of anathemas and teaches that the pope and priests have the power to bind and loose people's sins.

And they do it too, when they ex-communicate someone.

4,976 posted on 08/01/2010 11:35:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

“And they do it too, when they ex-communicate someone.”

You mean like this:

In the Reformed churches, excommunication has generally been seen as the culmination of church discipline, which is one of the three marks of the Church. The Westminster Confession of Faith sees it as the third step after “admonition” and “suspension from the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper for a season.”[5] Yet, John Calvin argues in his Institutes of the Christian Religion that church censures do not “consign those who are excommunicated to perpetual ruin and damnation,” but are designed to induce repentance, reconciliation and restoration to communion. Calvin notes, “though ecclesiastical discipline does not allow us to be on familiar and intimate terms with excommunicated persons, still we ought to strive by all possible means to bring them to a better mind, and recover them to the fellowship and unity of the Church.”[6]

Yet, other Reformed theologians argue that excommunication is not the final step in the disciplinary process. Jay E. Adams argues that in excommunication, the offender is still seen as a brother, but in the final step they become “as the heathen and tax collector” (Matthew 18:17). Adams writes, “Nowhere in the Bible is excommunication (removal from the fellowship of the Lord’s Table) equated with what happens in step 5;

rather, step 5 is called “removing from the midst, handing over to Satan,” and the like...”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication#cite_note-6


4,982 posted on 08/01/2010 11:50:40 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: metmom

To whom did Jesus say the words in Mt 16:17-19?

One cannot deny that Jesus gathered to Him those He wanted to carry forth His Gospel after His death. Most of His commission was spoken to Peter. He spoke of different things to different audiences, reserving much for those whom He held closest. The OT testament reveals the authority and mission of Jesus, the NT reveals the authority and mission of His Apostles.

Please, back up your claims rather than making a declaration, as if it is truth without any supporting documentation.

Only God knows who will or will not live eternity in His kingdom.


4,985 posted on 08/01/2010 11:57:08 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: metmom
"Sure it does. It's full of anathemas and teaches that the pope and priests have the power to bind and loose people's sins. And they do it too, when they ex-communicate someone."

I'll bet that if you actually knew the teachings of the Church you wouldn't have been so quick to quit it. I suppose though that a refusal to do so now does give you the fig leaf you need to cover your ignorance.

4,987 posted on 08/01/2010 11:58:55 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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