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To: MarkBsnr
Removing books from the Bible by Martin Luther and successive generations of Reformers is heretical and worthy of excommunication from the Church.

Actually, Jerome's Canon did not include the apochrypha as God breathed scripture.

While there were some who followed Augustine and the Councils of Hippo and Carthage in accepting the Apocryphal books, the vast majority of theologians, bishops and cardinals throughout the Middle Ages followed Jerome. This is seen in three major historical examples: the express statements of the Glossa ordinaria-the official Biblical commentary used during the Middle Ages, the teaching of major theologians who cited Jerome as the authority for determining the authoritative canon of the Old Testament, and Bible translations and commentaries produced just prior to the Reformation.

http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/Apocrypha3.html

Even Cardinal Cajetan, Luther's foe, did not subscribe to the apochrypha being scripture. Which was certainly fine, Trent had not officially included it yet.

4,580 posted on 07/31/2010 2:05:25 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee
Actually, Jerome's Canon did not include the apochrypha as God breathed scripture.

You mean, that Jerome's Canon did not have the Deuterocanonicals in his proposal for the OT. The apochrypha are something entirely different, such as 3 and 4 Maccabees, or the Prayer of Manasseh. He was one of the few. The Church did not accept his Canon. Therefore Jerome came over to Church beliefs, not vice versa. You state vast majority without source and Middle Ages. Jerome was a contemporary of Augustine and was present when the matter of canonity was settled in 393 (Hippo) and Carthage (400). When Jerome published the Vulgate in 406, it contained ALL of the Deuterocanonical books that the Church holds to be Canon today.

Pope Innocent I in Consulenti Tibi (dated February 405) to St. Exuperious (Bishop of Toulouse) listed the Canon of Scripture that the Church holds today. One must separate the Deuterocanonicals from OT Apocrypha, and the NT Apocrypha from the OT. For example, the Gospel of Thomas and the Revelation of Peter are considered Apocrypha.

4,603 posted on 07/31/2010 3:29:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: bkaycee; MarkBsnr
Actually, Jerome's Canon did not include the apochrypha as God breathed scripture.

This is a misleading protestant ploy because Jerome taught otherwise and quoted them as inspired. I can flood you with quotes from the Church fathers involved in the canon who believed they are God breathed.Jerome only thought they were hard to master.

From Saint Jerome....

DO YOU EXPECT ME TO EXPLAIN THE PURPOSES AND PLANS OF GOD? THE BOOK OF WISDOM GIVES AN ANSWER TO YOUR FOOLISH QUESTION: [Sir 3:21] "LOOK NOT INTO THINGS ABOVE THEE, AND SEARCH NOT THINGS TOO MIGHTY FOR THEE." AND ELSEWHERE,[5] "Make not thyself overwise, and argue not more than is fitting." And in the same place, "In wisdom and simplicity of heart seek God." You will perhaps deny the authority of this book;" "Jerome, "Against the Pelagians, NPNF2, VI:464-5"

"Yet the Holy Spirit in the thirty-ninth(9) psalm, while lamenting that all men walk in a vain show, and that they are subject to sins, speaks thus: "For all that every man walketh in the image."(Psalm 39:6) Also after David's time, in the reign of Solomon his son, we read a somewhat similar reference to the divine likeness. For in the book of Wisdom, which is inscribed with his name, Solomon says: "God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity."(Wisdom 2:23) And again, about eleven hundred and eleven years afterwards, we read in the New Testament that men have not lost the image of God. For James, an apostle and brother of the Lord, whom I have mentioned above--that we may not be entangled in the snares of Origen--teaches us that man does possess God's image and likeness. For, after a somewhat discursive account of the human tongue, he has gone on to say of it: "It is an unruly evil ... therewith bless we God, even the Father and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God."(James 3:8-9) Paul, too, the "chosen vessel,"(Acts 9:15) who in his preaching has fully maintained the doctrine of the gospel, instructs us that man is made in the image and after the likeness of God. "A man," he says, "ought not to wear long hair, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God."(1 Cor. 11:7) He speaks of "the image" simply, but explains the nature of the likeness by the word "glory." Instead of THE THREE PROOFS FROM HOLY SCRIPTURE which you said would satisfy you if I could produce them, BEHOLD I HAVE GIVEN YOU SEVEN"--- Jerome, Letter 51, 6, 7, NPNF2, VI:87-8

So , there you have it. Saint Jerome says they are inspired

4,618 posted on 07/31/2010 4:02:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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