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To: Quix
I believe what I wrote. And don't forget, we have 'sacred tradition' in our scheme. So Peter might well have thought that whatever was needful would be taken care of through that means.

But this supports one of my conjectures about the entire Sola Scripture weltanschauung.

It just doesn’t seem likely that God would have had all this information that He wanted to give to the Church and not give it to His first pope.

What if the first Pope didn't need it just then, or the Church didn't either?

In more than one place we are told to trust the Spirit to give us what we need to say when we need to say it. It is our daily bread for which we pray, not a Sam's Club's worth.

So the idea has two parts: the first is the idea of the church, complete and fully developed arising sometime before the middle of the 1st century. That SURE isn't our idea, though I think it contribute to misunderstandings. It was there, let's say "in principle" but has been being unfolded and sorted out ever since.

The second idea is that there is a HINT here that the Bible is a repository as much "instead of God" as the Pope and Magisterium are often accused of being "instead of God."

You guys think of the Pope as lording it over people. Some seem wedded to that notion. But I see a guy sort of pottering around doing what comes up, and praying devoutly that if something big comes up God will help him do and say the right stuff.

Well that's not exactly right. But I do not see even J2P2 thinking he had all the ducks in a row and just needed to deploy them.

And our 'faith' in the Pope and the magisterium is similarly a frequent if not constant prayer to God. It prompts us to prayer, it does not stand in its stead.

I have to go do stuff.

4,125 posted on 07/30/2010 2:41:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Quix
What if the first Pope didn't need it just then, or the Church didn't either?

Only the most important information to come along since the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, the foundation of the Church the Body of Christ, and the first Pope might not have needed it just then, or the Church either?? At a time when other gospels, doctrines of men, and another Christ were being brought into Churches, and it wasn't needed just then?

4,126 posted on 07/30/2010 2:48:33 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I think I understand your perspective.

You know it’s not mine.

I also think your perspective, while somewhat coherent and logical, is not per se founded in Scripture nor that supported from history.


4,151 posted on 07/30/2010 3:45:10 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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