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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums
What it SEEMS you are trying to do is put together three different puzzles, where all the pieces have been mixed together and dumped on the table, and here you sit, trying to sort through all the pieces to put these 3 puzzles together. And I really don't think you even have the picture of what the final puzzles look like for reference.

Mushing dispensations together in order to make them fit a preconceived belief. Taking the pieces of the dispensation of the Kingdom and trying to make them fit in the dispensation of the Grace of God. It will never work. That's one puzzle.

Add to that the puzzle of doctrines of men and traditions and extra biblical whatever. :You'll never find all the pieces from among all the other pieces in order to finish this puzzle. It's impossible, as doctrines and traditions change and the pieces change.

The next puzzle is separating the 2 dispensations and finding the right pieces of Paul's ministry and the revelations he received directly from the risen Christ. Because his ministry and message is different from the Kingdom ministry and message of Peter and the11, their pieces cannot be interchanged unless you start cutting the pieces to the shape you're in search of.

These three puzzles are not interchangeable. There is only one correct spot for each puzzle piece. And you're trying to do three at once when they've been mixed, shaken, and dumped on your table. :You have a big fat mess of this that and the other and you're trying to make sense of it all.

1,732 posted on 07/23/2010 8:03:33 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
What it SEEMS you are trying to do is put together three different puzzles, where all the pieces have been mixed together and dumped on the table, and here you sit, trying to sort through all the pieces to put these 3 puzzles together. And I really don't think you even have the picture of what the final puzzles look like for reference.

Mushing dispensations together in order to make them fit a preconceived belief. Taking the pieces of the dispensation of the Kingdom and trying to make them fit in the dispensation of the Grace of God. It will never work. That's one puzzle.

Is that what you truly believe - that Christianity is a grab bag of 'dispensations'?

Add to that the puzzle of doctrines of men and traditions and extra biblical whatever. :You'll never find all the pieces from among all the other pieces in order to finish this puzzle. It's impossible, as doctrines and traditions change and the pieces change.

I have been engaging in debate with a gentleman on another thread regarding the validity of Sola Scriptura and he has retreated to the point of claiming that sources validated by Scripture are to be used as authentic evidence as much as the Canon of Scripture. If you are truly SS, then you must prove all of your beliefs directly from Scripture. Including the first - which is the contents of Scripture. Which books and which revisions and which language is Scripture? Word by word. Where is it contained in Scripture? And so on.

Another is the Sunday Day of the Lord. Where does Scripture justify the the Christian Day of the Lord as Sunday?

Another is the Nicene Christological formula. If you have the formula defined and accepted, you can go back and see where this verse and that verse fits into the Nicene formula (and actually the majority of NT verses that address Christology do not), but there is no way that one can start with Scripture alone and define the Nicene formulation. It cannot be done.

The next puzzle is separating the 2 dispensations and finding the right pieces of Paul's ministry and the revelations he received directly from the risen Christ. Because his ministry and message is different from the Kingdom ministry and message of Peter and the11, their pieces cannot be interchanged unless you start cutting the pieces to the shape you're in search of.

Oh boy. If you think that Paul is preaching a different message of a different Christ then this is yet another departure from Christianity, one that has been put down as heresy many many times.

You have a big fat mess of this that and the other and you're trying to make sense of it all.

Not I.

1,779 posted on 07/24/2010 7:21:36 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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