Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[don-o]

There is no profit in swapping verses if one side misrepresents the other’s belief (that would be you, misrepresenting mine.) So, by your rules, you win. I’m done.

[small voice in the wilderness]

AND here's what's wrong with you guys: ;-)

God invites us to His party. He tells us to bring nothing but ourselves. We show up with balloons, streamers, table decorations, a cake, snacks, party favors, and parting gifts. We didn't believe Him when he asked us to bring nothing. So He has His party all set, and what is He to do with all this stuff? All of a sudden, it's not His party anymore. It;s become what we thought His party should be. WE decide what food would be served. WE decided what the decorations would be. He decided the party place, but we took over the rest.

SO, who's party is it now?

[daniel1212]

Thank you for your charitable response, but i would respond that souls such as the Turkish girl are not really Muslim, as they do indeed have a different God/Jesus, (2Cor. 11:4) and do not adore the one true God with Christians. The girl herself would be in the class of those who ignorantly worship, but will see the light if they continue patiently in well doing according to the light they have, and are willing to reject their false religion. (Acts 10; Rm. 2)

[don-o]

Non-responsive and evasive. Irrelevant. Jesus clearly identifies Himself with certain people very clearly. He says "you did it (or did not do it) to Me

One of those hard sayings. Words mean things. I thought that the plain sense was to be considered the most likely correct interpretation. At least, that is what I was taught by my sola teachers.

[small voice in the wilderness]

I have no idea what you are talking about. If I misrepresented your beliefs, then show me. I cannot apologize if I don't know what you're talking about. But in case you've decided that you are done, this is like the 2nd or 3rd time you've declared yourself done, only to post to me something else. Anyway, I'll leave you with this.

I put my entire trust in the finished work of Christ for my salvation. You seem to put your trust in your works and Christ's death for your salvation. Both cannot be right. One is an arrived destination. The other is a journey.

[johngrace]

"At the time of the Last Supper, Jesus and His disciples were still under the Law

THANK YOU for posting this. It's one of those things that get pushed to the back burner somehow, and it is SO important to know."

That's not possible.

WHY

Christ states a New Covenant when he says this is my Body and My Blood at the Last Supper. Which is happening on the Old Testament Passover(Which is to be literally eaten forever). How can that be unless its in the New Covenant. Thats the Old becoming the New covenant which connects it to the Cross. Jesus(GOD)the high priest is offering himself. Who is also God the victim. Who is outside of time and space(because he created it) unlike us.

Notice on the day of his crucifixion he hardly says anything. Least of all that the(Old testament) priest has to be present to the victim when offering the lamb. Yet Christ did not say the offering on Good Friday. But the night before. Yet unless he is the great "I AM" Only he could do this. Always present. But of course he is God. Which also explains the continual Mass(Repeat of the Last Supper).

It is so amazing!

The natural mind can't understand it.

Maybe this will help.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103sbs.asp

[Mad Dawg]

Well, here's an alleged thought:

What draws you and me together is a love for truth, and a willingness -- how can say this -- to expose ourselves to the gale of truth, knowing that it will blow away everything that is not firmly attached. Right? sorta kinda?

Not everyone has that call. Not everyone is equipped for that sort of service, of ministry.

I just happen to have that kind of mind. My family genes are in the lawyer direction, but my father was an engineer and his brother was a professor of Chemistry.

But look: we "know" that God's grace is (more than) sufficient for us, and yet we ourselves catch ourselves trying to impress God with our insight, our obedience, our humility.

Our ability to talk and think clearly about what we believe does not protect us from being complete jerks, now and then (mostly now)

But what of the person who knows how, with a look and a touch, to comfort a crying baby or calm down a fractious child? Such a one may never be able to express with rigor and precision any theological proposition. She may even SAY stuff that is flat wrong. But I would tremble to say that I knew the Love of God better than she.

If such a person is presented with a choice between THIS church which is Scofield all the way, and THAT which is sanctification, she may choose the one with the better wall-paper, or the more convenient service time.

What do we have to offer the person who does not understand and does not care one tinker's damn about the difference between Calvinist virtualism and Thomist Transubstantiation?

I see that a lot depends on handing oneself over the Jesus. I am not so sure about how important it is to get the theology right.

Am I making a fragment of sense?

[caww]

Daniel, ....what comes from Rome and their writings seems to contradict what many catholics otherwise believe Rome is saying. It makes it very difficult to understand what a catholic is genuinely about and their beliefs. But Rome makes it clear what they are supposed to adhere to from what I can access. So then one would assume there are many catholics who are not abiding by the doctrines of there church from those who I have been acquainted with and what I have seen on the threads.

On the other hand there does seem to be a checkmate system between various Christian denominations...though they may differ on the minors the major doctrines are in agreement..and if a certain denomination goes off course in their leadership the church on a whole seems to step up and call them out on it...if the congregational boards fail to do so.

[daniel1212]

FR was done this afternoon, and i was out, so i am trying to catch up, but if the contention is about whether Jesus referred to Scripture, then that is well substantiated, as He did so explicitly and implicitly.

Likewise Paul and and the writers of Holy Writ, and to marginalize him or them is untenable, as it was the same Holy Spirit that Jesus spoke by that inspired him and the writers who recorded such. Below are some of the references by all.

Mat. 2:5; 4:4,6,7,10; 11:10; 21:13,42; 22:29; 26:24,31,54,56; Mk. 1:2; 9:12,13; 7:3; 11:17; 14:21,47; 12:24; 14:49; Lk. 2:3,23; 3:4; 4:4,8,10; 10:26; 19:46; 20:17; 22:37; 24:22.27,32,45,46; Jn. 5:39; 6:31,45; 8:17; 12:14; 15:25; Acts 1:20; 7:42; 13:33; 15:15; 17:2,11; 18:24,28; 23:5; Rom 1:2,17; 2:24; 3:4,10; 4:17; 8:36; 9:3,13,33; 10:15; 11:8,26; 12:19; 14:11; 15:3,4,9,21; 16:16; 1Cor. 1:19,31; 2:9; 3:19; 4:6; 9:9,10; 10:7; 14:21; 15:3,4,45,54; 2Cor. 4:13; 8:15; 9:9; Gal. 3:10,13; 4:22,27; 2Tim. 3:15; Heb. 10:7; 1Pet. 1:16; 5:12; 2Pet. 3:16; 1 Jn. 2:21; Rev. 1:3

[Mad Dawg]

That is perfect.

Jesus is the hobo out back with a nasty hotdog on a stick over a fire in a coffee can. And He says, "Come and have breakfast."

[small voice in the wilderness]

Yes. You make perfect sense. I’m an all or nothing person, as I’m sure you can tell!, and do not just pay lip service to those things which sustain me. As are you, I am certain! I understand, believe it or not, those who may be shy or reserved in their beliefs and stating of those beliefs. Then, I say, don’t jump in to the heated discussions with ‘facts’ that may or may not be so. Read carefully, study the scriptures, rightly divided, and pray that the Holy Spirit will lead you into His truths. KNOW what you believe and WHY you believe it before you state it as truth. It’s those factoids that may or may not be true, that are stated as true, that begin the snowball fights. And if they are in fact true, then stand tall and claim them. They are your past, your present, and your future. ;)

[Mad Dawg]

, by what means can we know for certain that Rome is indeed the one true and infallible church, with Christ as its head?

THAT's EASY! You can know because we are the biggest bunch of horse's patoots ever gathered in one place. And yet we praise God and Jesus His Son!

If anything is clear it is that it wasn't the smarts or the virtue of Catholics that preserved the Church. What smarts? What virtue?

If it depended on our competence, the Catholic Church would have died long ago.

[metmom]

Peter himself, eh?

[Mad Dawg]

Thank you, sister in the Lord.

Now I'm going over to FaceBook to deal with political battles, but then I will lie down and comfort whatever sleepless hours God sees fit to send me with thoughts of the benevolence of those who are united to me in Jesus.

[small voice in the wilderness]

It is not only possible. It is.

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." (Heb. 9:15-17).

The new testament did not go into effect until the death of the testator. Jesus Christ. While He lived, the old testament was in effect. He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, remember?

[metmom]

Mark 7:1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and 2saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were “unclean,” that is, unwashed. 3(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.)

5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with ‘unclean’ hands?”

6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

9And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

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Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

[metmom]

/roll eyes....

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Does God have to mail a letter to men or hit them over the head with a Fed Ex to get their attention?

No, that's not the way the word of God tells us God interacts with us. God is spirit, and He reaches men spiritually.

That's what the "plain sense" of Scripture tells us.

"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." -- Romans 8:5-11

Carnally-minded = death.

Spiritually-minded = life and peace.