Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
SPOT ON!!
I find it silly, myself.
BUT I can see it.
FIRST (I was just reading Crazy Louie, as I think of St Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort — and when he is not going WAY overboard he is VERY clear that Mary is a creature.)
So the first thing is to say is what was said. If it ain’t the head it’s body.
Now, UNDER those premises, we do say, eagerly, that Mary is, ahem, Queen of Saints. It is another instance of “primus inter pares(in her case “prima” of course.) She is a CREATURE, and in her we Catholics see the magnificent fulfillment of the promises God makes to CREATURES qua creatures.
Of course, Jesus and the Coming of the Kingdom is THE Fulfillment of the promise as giver. Mary is, to us, the, what preeminent instance of the fulfillment of the promise as recipient.
So, for instance, in one way I model myself after Jesus, (No comments needed about what a lousy job I’m doing) since He is the perfection of Humanity.
But in that modelling, Immediately am aware of my utter incapacity, no less and no more, in principle, than that of Mary. But she is, how to say it, an instance of the promise working wonderfully in somebody’s life. So I look at her to see how that went.
And about all I can find, but it’s a lot, is this: She gave her will, her self, her body, her life to God. As a result LOVE was conceived in her and she brought Love into the world. And when Love was in the world, she nurtured it, reared it, focussed on it, and when Love was a grown Man, and she saw a problem, she went directly to Love and said, “They have no wine.”
SO, I resolve to make my life an “Amen”, a “fiat”. I try to bear and nurture Love. I try to remember that in any problem (or any joy, for that matter) the first thing to do is to go to Love and set it before Him.
And then the hint in Colossians 1:24, and elsewhere in Paul, is that when we are remade and reborn, when and to the extent that the old man has died and a new life is growing within us, that new life is the Spirit of Christ. And that Spirit calls and enables us to share in Christ’s ‘work.’
SO (pause for breath, ...), IF Mary is the pre-eminent example of the fulfillment of the promises made in Christ to humankind, then she will (a)have her will perfectly united with Christ’s, and (b)share his mediating and intercessory ‘work’.
We saved sinners already share this work in little ways. In proclaiming the Gospel, in praying for one another and for the world, in walking in the good works that have been prepared for us to walk in in such a way, we hope and pray, that in the sandwich served at the soup kitchen or the kitchen built in Haiti some one will experience not how terrific we are but how amazing GOd is. That’s mediation, that’s intercession, that’s the Work which, BECAUSE it is uniquely proper to Christ, is proper to those in whom His spirit abides, those who abide in Him who abides in them.
That’s the best I can do.
Sola believers would not even have scriptura unless the bishops of the one holy and apostolic church had taken on the task of confirming what scriptura even is.
St Paul, early in the epistle to the Romans, mentions lack of gratitude. That fits, had in glove, with a lack of humility for the gift that our God (Who loves mankind) has so kindly provided.
BUT I can see it.
FIRST (I was just reading Crazy Louie, as I think of St Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort — and when he is not going WAY overboard he is VERY clear that Mary is a creature.)
So the first thing to say is what was said. If it ain't the head it's body.
Now, UNDER those premises, we do say, eagerly, that Mary is, ahem, Queen of Saints. It is another instance of “primus inter pares (in her case “prima” of course.) She is a CREATURE, and in her we Catholics see the magnificent fulfillment of the promises God makes to CREATURES qua creatures.
Of course, Jesus and the Coming of the Kingdom is THE Fulfillment of the promise as giver. Mary is, to us, the, what preeminent instance of the fulfillment of the promise as recipient.
So, for instance, in one way I model myself after Jesus, (No comments needed about what a lousy job I'm doing) since He is the perfection of Humanity.
But in that modelling, Immediately am aware of my utter incapacity, no less and no more, in principle, than that of Mary. But she is, how to say it, an instance of the promise working wonderfully in somebody’s life. So I look at her to see how that went.
And about all I can find, but it's a lot, is this: She gave her will, her self, her body, her life to God. As a result LOVE was conceived in her and she brought Love into the world. And when Love was in the world, she nurtured it, reared it, focussed on it, and when Love was a grown Man, and she saw a problem, she went directly to Love and said, “They have no wine.”
SO, I resolve to make my life an “Amen”, a “fiat”. I try to bear and nurture Love. I try to remember that in any problem (or any joy, for that matter) the first thing to do is to go to Love and set it before Him.
And then the hint in Colossians 1:24, and elsewhere in Paul, is that when we are remade and reborn, when and to the extent that the old man has died and a new life is growing within us, that new life is the Spirit of Christ. And that Spirit calls and enables us to share in Christ's ‘work.’
SO (pause for breath, ...), IF Mary is the preeminent example of the fulfillment of the promises made in Christ to humankind, then she will (a)have her will perfectly united with Christ's, and (b)share his mediating and intercessory ‘work’.
We saved sinners already share this work in little ways. In proclaiming the Gospel, in praying for one another and for the world, in walking in the good works that have been prepared for us to walk in in such a way, we hope and pray, that in the sandwich served at the soup kitchen or the kitchen built in Haiti some one will experience not how terrific we are but how amazing God is. That's mediation, that's intercession, that's the Work which, BECAUSE it is uniquely proper to Christ, is proper to those in whom His spirit abides, those who abide in Him who abides in them.
That's the best I can do.
They say Scripture is God's word, but they don't really trust it. They say Christ saved His sheep, but they don't really believe it. They say they don't worship Mary, but their actions prove otherwise.
And they all know exactly what they're doing. They want to believe Mary is their co-redeemer; they just don't want to be judged by anyone for that belief.
The funniest thing about the RCC is that it considers itself to be an intellectual faith based on reason and sound judgment. Nothing could be further from the truth. Scripture proves the lie.
INDEED. As relentless postings of their's hereon DEMONSTRATE, DOCUMENT, PROVE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
One of the more shocking aspects of my education in the last 63 years has been having shoved relentlessly in my face
THE SHOCKING AND GROSSLY ABSURD WHOLESALE DEARTH--GREATLY LACKING INTELLECTUAL STATURE, INTEGRITY on the part of such a huge percentage [93-97%?] of the RC's hereon. I would never have guessed it even possible, much less chronic. Even after so many years of it--I'm persistently EMBARRASSED--for them!
Hurray!
Thanks. It’s a very involved process . . . long and drawn out.
Still . . . the results are not at all immune from gross error, as Fatima demonstrates.
Well,okay, but the first person who calls me "Piggy" ... I'm pinging the RM.
You have some wonderful seDiments.
I think I’ll stop there.
Let ME Ask the question once more — Do you believe in the Trinity or not?
Why poison the well? If our arguments are bad, won't their badness be evident without the suggestion that they are motivated by some kind of psychological disability?
LOL.
Actually, no, that is not possible as Old Reg is making a point of asking Catholics what we believe in, so it’s fair to find out likewise. Does he believe in the Trinity or not?
I see some of your crew seem to have 0.000% comprehension of sociolinguistics.
Sigh.
I've heard that. I guess it's the inevitable result of the rejection of scholastic thought and the consequent incoherent materialism. Sin has effects in the body, but it first infects the soul, which is not transmitted genetically but, ahem, installed by God.
Luke 2:
[52] And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.
And it was necessary for God to increase in wisdom and.....?
Where is it stated in the Bible that all doctrine needs to be stated in the Bible?
Why attack with a standard we do not acknowledge? It's not news to you, is it, that the Catholic Church is not a Sola Scriptura outfit?
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