Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
So say you, whippersnapper. :-)
That does not extrapolate to the Protestant assertion that all or even most Catholics are ignorant of Scripture. I and my seven siblings were the recipients of Catholic education of which Scripture and the Catechism were in important part of the curriculum. The nuns and brothers who taught us put even more importance on it than on the 3Rs. My children were also so educated. I haven't heard anyone denigrate the success of Catholic education on secular subjects and can't understand why there is not a similar admission on religion.
When I went prodigal in my 20s, I saw lots of fantasy lands. I had a girlfriend who occasionally went to the Crystal Cathedral, for instance. So I tagged along on a couple of occasions. That is fantasy land.
For one thing, it's smaller than it looks on television. I also believe that the seating is based upon past donations, at least in the front section...
“I think there may have been a book (or website) that fully explains the revelation of the eschatologic importance of Rigel - with Bible to prove it!”
No, in the spirit of our protestant brothers’ apologetics, I just made it up whole cloth. Total fabrication.
Pretty cool, eh?
Kill is such an ugly word. I prefer to call it "isolating the pathogen".
EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS THE SAME. ;)
Very considerate of you. But, some of us do change as a direct result of participation on the FR RF.
Is yours in Greek?
Yours must be - you NEED the Church to do it for you!
Well I don't speak Greek, so yes I need someone to do it for me. Did you do your own?
You have no idea what happened, or didn't happen, during the last few days of his life nor do I.
Did you ever read the book "I was a Monk" by John Tettemer? He had his door guarded when he was on his deathbed to prevent any "dying" conversion by a Priest.
And yes, Priests and Archbishops have been known to lie.
You have no idea what happened, or didn't happen, during the last few days of his life nor do I.
Did you ever read the book "I was a Monk" by John Tettemer? He had his door guarded when he was on his deathbed to prevent any "dying" conversion by a Priest.
And yes, Priests and Archbishops have been known to lie.
I see nothing with which to disagree in this statement. I've said many times that the Bible is not explicit about certain things and that God allows Christians liberty about minor issues. That is one reason why he gave us the Holy Spirit. Does the Bible forbid going to the movies? No, but we know from Scripture that we should be thinking about things that are good, pure, holy and that we not set ourselves up to be tempted to do wrong. Does the Bible say we shouldn't drink alcohol? No, but it does say we should not be drunk or controlled by it.
There is a certain Religion that says drinking coffee is a major no-no and if someone does so, they are in danger of not going to heaven (celestial kingdom, I think they call it?). To me, that is stepping into an area that Christians should be allowed to decide for themselves with Scripture and the Holy Spirit as their guide. New believers may need guidance from those more mature in the faith about these issues, but it still should be up to the individual between them and God what is suitable in their own lives.
I would never assert that Catholics are ignorant of Scripture.
I once heard a comparison of the differences in knowledge of Scripture between Protestants and Catholics put thus....
A Protestant knows the Bible like a mailman knows his route, by the numbers.
A Catholic knows the Bible like a family knows its history.
“you must kiss my ring and genuflect when in the presence of the Pope and then off to the marble palace. And I will tell you what to believe, I will explain the decrees to you, my little subjects of my ‘religious’”
Yes, and if you don’t, the Swiss Guard will throw you in a pit to be nibbled to death by ducks.
Further, each Holy Father discards all the work and revelation of those who came before him, and reinvents the Catholic faith from the ground up. That is why *he* must explain everything to us.
Oh, if *only* the Holy Father would pass along the Deposit of Faith intact, together with the commentary of the wisest and holiest men and women of the past 2,000 years, as guided by the Holy Spirit. What tremendous riches must lie there. (The term “deposit of faith” refers to the entirety of Jesus Christ’s revelation, and is passed forward to successive generations in two different forms, Sacred Scripture (the Bible) and Sacred Tradition.)
How sad that I have only the understanding of the Bible that my meager intellect can cobble together to guide me. Oh, if only I were as intelligent, wise, and holy as Aquinas.
Hey, wait, I know: I’ll just claim that the Holy Spirit guides me *every* time I read the Bible, and I shall be as a god...err, no, cancel that...
I’ll just claim that the Holy Spirit guides me *every* time I read the Bible, and my understanding will be as valid as that of men with a hundred times my education, ten times my intelligence, and a thousand times my wisdom, and who actually *were* guided by the Holy Spirit.
By gum and by gar, ain’t *nobody* gonnal claim I ain’t as good as them, or that there ever was anybody smarter or more holy than me.
Nope; he went to Jerusalem to present his bona fides to Peter. He also saw James, who was bishop. If James was the primus, he would have presented them to James instead. Why was Peter the only human being to walk on the water?
Because he was the one on the end of the boat closest to Jesus
Matthew 14: 25 During the fourth watch of the night, 8 he came toward them, walking on the sea. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the sea they were terrified. "It is a ghost," they said, and they cried out in fear. 27 At once (Jesus) spoke to them, "Take courage, it is I; 9 do not be afraid." 28 Peter said to him in reply, "Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water." 29 He said, "Come." Peter got out of the boat and began to walk on the water toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw how (strong) the wind was he became frightened; and, beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!" 31 Immediately Jesus stretched out his hand and caught him, and said to him, "O you of little faith, 10 why did you doubt?" 32 After they got into the boat, the wind died down.
Nope, you are wrong (why is it that you are so wrong so much of the time?). Scripture says nothing about Peter being nearest. Peter was, however, the bravest and had the most faith of any of them.
John would not have sank
John was the youngest and most probably the most afraid of all.
Peter was used as a (bad) example...
Peter was the only one who got up off of his seat and actually did something. Hardly a bad example. Peter's courage and his faith exceeded all the rest.
The Holy Ghost expected the Elders to feed the flock...Peter instructed other Elders to feed the flock...Everyone who is over the flocks of the church are to feed the church...
Answer the question. Peter was only one instructed by Jesus to feed Jesus' sheep. Peter delegated that to those under him because he had the authority as the steward of Jesus Christ. Peter was given the instruction and the authority by God. Peter then instructs us in 1 Peter. Paul, as a bishop, is also given that responsibility and authority. Remember that it is Paul who had to come to Jerusalem in Acts 9 in order to have the acceptance of the Apostles. So Paul was so loud and stirred up so much agitation that the Apostles, fearing for his life, sent him to Tarsus. Paul was never in charge of the Church - that was not his role.
Paul led the church...Peter went on out into obscurity with the instruction to teach the Jews, who were relatively few in number...
Read Acts. Read Galatians. Paul is subordinate to the Council.
But yes, the followers of Peter, who left the scene, built a religion regardless of what the scripture says...They couldn't back up their religion with scripture so they invented some, and took over pagan rituals and superstitions and you are part of what it is today...
We don't have a religion. It is you guys that have invented them. We got our instruction from the Lord Jesus Christ and from the Holy Spirit beginning with Pentecost. Paul was a great man, a great Apostle, and the super salesman of the Church to the Greeks, but he was never the steward of the Church.
When you have done naming the Cardinals and Bishops that are pushing for the deification of Mary, please name the Catholic posters who know about it. This gets more and more fascinating. I think that you may have been hanging out with a poster here who frequently confuses fantasy with reality and adds layer upon layer of fantasy as the truth is discovered.
If that were indeed the case why does Scripture even need to be written down? Couldn't the Holy Spirit have just done a data dump? And why do Protestants need 90+ minutes of "preachin'" at their services to expand and clarify on what you presumably already know?
A year or so ago, the accusations that FR was a wing of the Vatican were flying around pretty thick. I actually posted Jim Robinson for his answer. He confirmed that FR is not tied or affiliated or connected in any way to the Vatican. I remember that the tone seemed quite amused at the thought.
Does the Holy Spirit teach you from the Greek or use a particular translation?
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