Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[Quix]

True. True.

I could have pulled back on such further quicker.

Sorry.

[Quix]

The vitriol has been extreme, for some reason.

Sacred cow issues can bring that out in lots of folks, sadly.

[Cronos]

Evidently you don’t get around much...

[Deo volente]

The vitriol has been extreme, for some reason. Sacred cow issues can bring that out in lots of folks, sadly.

Pot...kettle...black.

Look no further than the mirror.

[Cronos]

Evidently you don't get around much... though I will grant you that many Catholics in America are pretty dumb -- but then so are many Baptists, etc. on the Bible and Christianity

Catholics in Europe and Asia tend to be a lot more knowledgeable while those from S.America tend not to be very (again, all of this is my personal experience)

[Cronos]

Oh, I'm a native English speaker, thank you for asking, though I do speak a few other languages and read others. In all of these languages, though, a lie spread by those misled by their "pastors" remains a lie.

It's pretty interesting that most non-Church groups define themselves as what they aren't -- namely that they aren't God's Church but xyz'z Church (substitute Calvin, Wesley, etc. etc.)

Next you'll repeat your groups founders on how they believed that the Trinity are non-Biblical

[boatbums]

WOW!!! Amen.

[Global2010]

I would encourage you to shut it down.

Please do.

[Cronos]

Yes, you have a Eucharist too, I guess?

And believe that Salvation can be lost by sin or loss of faith

[Cronos]

Ah, dsc, I told you these guys wouldn’t read it — anything longer than a couple of sentences can be problematic for some. That’s why they also read excerpts instead of the Bible

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Not sure what you’re talking about, but Protestants observe the Lord’s Supper, as Christ instructed us, according to the word of God.

[Cronos]

Actually, the crew outside the Church here believe that the more they repeat “creative statements”, the more they will be believed. I actually think this is something taught to them by their individual sects masters, like the JWs with their standard spiel or the Born-Agains or PResbyterians with their standard questions (and no answers)

[Cronos]

Then it was a very strange post that you posted in #2106 "A young teenage girl who was a virgin at the time of her conception, who happened to have the correct lineage."

this was in response to #2104 by narses: "Who was the Mother of Our Lord?"

By saying she was a virgin at the time of her conception sounds like a strong doubt in the Annunciation. The Annunciation is the Christian celebration of the announcement by the angel Gabriel to Mary that she would become the Theotokos (God-bearer).


Your grouping does believe in the Triune God, right? You aren't Unitarian or JW perchance?

[Cronos]

Nice and simple -- her parents WERE stained by Original Sin. Mary was, just a creature, a created being, saved by Her Son. The only difference being that God needed a Holy Ark to contain HIM, hence He created this purified ark to hold HIM

That's why, in scripture, when the angel comes to meet her, he is almost looking in awe at this creation of God, so the angel refers to her as Κεχαριτωμενη / Kecharitomene "filled with grace". This is in the past participle form so it means that sometime before the announciation Mary was filled with divine grace and that she remains full of this grace in the present (i.e. when the angel met her)

[Cronos]

Iscool: "I am not a fan of Copeland's personal theology...But he is far closer to the truth of the scriptures than ANY Catholic"


Ok, so you consider Copeland to be closer to the truth, eh? all of this stuff?

What about you, Doc and wm? You would also say kumbaya to such teachings, since they fulfil the one criteria that they are not Catholic?

Kenneth Copeland has taught the following

• That we do not have a god in us but that we are a God.
  “You don’t have a God in you. You are one!” - The Force of Love audiotape

• That Adam was God manifest in the flesh.
  "God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself, and in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. . . . Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. . . . Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh."
  Following the Faith of Abraham I, side 1

• God is the greatest failure in the Universe
  "I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is....The biggest one is God....I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the Fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least--that's a big loss, man. . .
  Praise-a-Thon program on TBN [April 1988]

• God lives on a mother planet
  "Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet."
  Spirit, Soul and Body I 1985 audiotape #01-0601, side 1
  
  "You don't think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don't think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that's new. Are you hearing what I'm saying? This is all a copy. It's a copy of home. It's a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it."
  Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape #01-3001, side 1

• The death of Jesus on the Cross did not pay the price for sins
  "It wasn't the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin..anybody could do that"
  What Satan saw on the day of Pentecost
  
  “Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” “When he said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, he was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun, there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.” “[Jesus] accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own Spirit, and at the moment that He did so, He cried ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’.” “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason... There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”
  What Happened from the Cross to the Throne

• Jesus was raped by homosexual Roman soldiers everyway possible
  "Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that's ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The bible's very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn't bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn't know firsthand what it's all about. He's been where you are, I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."
  The Resurrection Truth

• God and Adam are the same size
  God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam's body in the face. His body and God were exactly the same size."
  Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, 45, emphasis in original

• God has no right to the earth at all, he needs an invitation
  "God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. . . . He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn't come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He's gonna have to be in agreement with a man here."
  God's Covenants With Man II 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1

• Adam looks the same as Jesus and God
  "[Adam] was the copy, looked just like [God]. If you stood Adam upside God, they look exactly alike. If you stood Jesus and Adam side by side, they would look and sound exactly alike."
  Authority of the Believer IV 1987, audiotape #01-0304, side 1

 

Other Teachings

"Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means 'man with the womb.' Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together."
Sensitivity of Heart KCP Publications, 1984, 23

"He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he's got Him destroyed."
Believer's Voice of Victory" program [21 April 1991]. This message was originally delivered at the Full Gospel Motorcycle Rally Association 1990 Rally at Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas

"That Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before."
The Price of it All," Believer's Voice of Victory 19, 9 [September 1991]:4

"He [Jesus] was literally being reborn before the devil's very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles. . . .Jesus was born again--the firstborn from the dead the Word calls Him--and He whipped the devil in his own backyard. He took everything he had away from him. He took his keys and his authority away from him." (Ibid., 4-6.)

"As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word."
Our Covenant with God [Fort Worth, TX: KCP Publications, 1987], 32

[Cronos]

I am tired of getting 50 different versions of what Catholic teach/believe.

Ah, the old wag-around. Where exactly in this thread have you been given 50 or even 2 different versions of what we believe?

[Cronos]

Oh. I just noticed - you must have forgotten to supply the supporting evidence for your assertion that the Roman Catholic church returned to Peleganism. Just a friendly reminder.

Well, first you need to explain Pelagianism to tc. That's the word of the day for our non-Church friends. Yesterday they wanted to have an Orthodox-Reformatted caucus and today it becomes " It seems to me that it is just a matter of that the Orthodox have better incense."

There is no answer from tc as there is no evidence for this statement. It's just a blank statement tossed out, like every other one on this forum by those against Christ and His Church

[Cronos]

The path of how the New Testament was transcribed and given to us is secondary to the author and finisher of our faith Christ Jesus

So, you know that the books in The Bible are infallible, right? How do you know that you have an infallible collection of these books? Or is/was the collection and the collecting process fallible?

[Deo volente]

Very nice presentation of Copeland's assorted lunacies. I wonder when the guy with all the color fonts will submit an outraged reply, excoriating Pastor Ken for his outrageously unbiblical teachings?

Not holding my breath...

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I think iscool’s answer is not so much a measure of Copeland as it is a measure of the clear-cut idolatry of the Vatican and of “another Gospel” being preached by an “alter Christus” who presumes himself to be the “infallible” false bishop of Rome.