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Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
If anyone has even a clue as to what this post means please ping me.
I imagine you don't wish to get into the "special" definition of worship as applied to JPII or the semantic differences between "latria" and "hyperdulia" and the inability of the Vatican translators to correctly translate Latin into English. That is fine with me. I'll settle for the definition of "hyperdulia" from an official Catholic source such as the Catholic Catechism or a declared Infallible pronouncement from a Pope or a "unanimous" declaration of a Council. Fair enough?
In the meantime:
Pope Paul VI,
"From the time that we were called to the Chair of St. Peter, we have constantly worked to increase the worship of Mary (culto mariano)" [per il retto ordinamento e sviluppo del culto della beata Vergine Maria - esortazione apostolica di Sua Santita Paolo VII, Page 2]
Is he Catholic?
The whole Trinity, O Mary, gave thee a name...above every name, that at Thy name, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 260).
The Holy Church commands a worship peculiar to Mary (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri p. 130).
Many things...are asked from God, and are not granted; they are asked from Mary, and are obtained, for She...is even Queen of Hell, and Sovereign Mistress of the Devils.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1931). pp. 127, 141, 143).
Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 618, 964, 968, 970) “All power is given to thee in Heaven and on earth, so that at the command of Mary all obey-even God...and thus...God has placed the whole Church...under the dominion of Mary (pp. 180-181). Mary is also the Advocate of the whole human race...for she can do what she wills with God” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 193).
The Glories of Mary: "Mary is called the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing by her" (p.134)
"And shall we scruple to ask her to save us, when 'the way of salvation is open to none otherwise than thru Mary.'" (p.143)
"He who is protected by Mary will be saved; he who is not will be lost." (p.144)
The Glories of Mary: "All power is given to thee in heaven and on earth, and nothing is impossible to thee, who canst raise those who are in despair to the hope of salvation." (p.154)
A Catholic?
TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN - St. Louis de Montfort
A Catholic?
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I don't think brain transplants for the rabid cliques are a solution, either.
Perhaps the blind [about my meaning] will simply have to go on leading the blind in increasing ignorance--as usual--pretending great erudition and brilliance as well as omniscience about each of over a billion RC's.
NOW NOW.
You KNOW how UNFAIR that is.
The RC’s hereon aren’t used to
nor prepared to
nor skilled at
handling the unvarnished TRUTH
. . . particularly when it is so brazenly contrary to their own
pontifically stated personal/official RC dogma—as
documented in their own RC documents.
What are you expecting them to do—die instantly of heart attacks or of incredulity or of appoplexy?
.
...or possible...
(BTW - the new teeth look OK)
Details, details.....
Come on now. You know that when they say *worship* they don’t really mean worship worship, like the worship they give to God, they just mean adoration and respect worship, like they give to .... uh... Mary and the other saints.
It’s different, you know.
Somehow......
Here, it’s like you use definition #4 instead of definition #2 and somehow, you’re supposed to mystically know when they mean each different definition.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship
Main Entry: wor·ship
1 chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
2 : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3 : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4 : extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem *worship of the dollar*
...beyond the grasp of those who have closed their hearts and minds to the entire revealed Word of God.
Yep. Since the English translation does a poor job of translating hyper0-dulia as worship you get your panties in a wad. Read the Latin, understand the difference between veneration and worship and then get back to us.
Actually, you got it. Sad that you do not understand the multiple meanings of words in English nor the specific differences in the formal teaching and practice of the One, Holy and Apostolic True Church.
A Catholic?
Not only A Catholic but a great Catholic. Clearly EITHER he had little to no experience of the recalcitrance of some non-Catholics OR he decided not to let them control the conversation by insisting that he converse according to their rules. In any event, he was not "careful" to moderate his language to theological perfection, because he was writing about devotion, which is at least partially emotional.
Interestingly -- but what will be more interesting is the way the non-Catholics will deride or ignore this -- the so-called "Consecration to Mary" which he recommends has the complete title of Consecration to Jesus Christ THROUGH Mary.
I am on the 13th day of the 33 day devotion. So far, while there is one Marian antiphon every day and today there was a Marian Litany, the majority of the material is about Jesus, His words, or our relationship to Him. Mary most certainly is NOT getting top billing.
But listen: feel free to tell us what we believe. It's not uncommon, when humans meet something they don't understand, for them to take the aggression which arises out of their anxiety out on somebody else. We can handle it. And we'll feel free to know ourselves better than you all do.
HEY! LADIES & GENTLEMEN, BOYS & GIRLS, DOGS AND CATS!
NOTE!
Evidently someone made a stop by Sam’s Club and bought and distributed some slivers of cleverness to the rabid cliques—it must be the CENTENIAL CELEBRATION for that oncel-in-a-hundred-years event!
Let us congratulate them!
BBBUT BUT BUT
METMOM!
Those are the authentic definitions from the UNrubbery dictionary.
We all know that the Vatican et al are only familiar with the daffynitions from the exclusive Vatican rubbery dictionary.
. . . LOL . . .
As though God Almighty is fooled by weasel words.
Regardless of the Vatican weasel words,
the attitudes of hearts are VERY TRANSPARENT BEFORE THE LORD.
That’s likely because . . .
there’s little, if anything, holy any more
about the Vatican and the horrific junk under her umbrella.
There’s certainly nothing Apostolic in any authentic, anointed sense.
And there’s certainly nothing about the
TRUE CHURCH—THE TRUE UNIVERSAL BODY OF CHRIST
remotely inherent in the hierarchy of the magicsterical power-monger bureaucratically ran edifice.
Much of the formal teaching of the INSTITUTION is horrifically insulting and blasphemous to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
FYI the translation difficulty arose from the word "culto". Your experts chose "worship". If you can do better please feel free to do so.
Is it that your Vatican translators don't know English vernacular or is it that they didn't think "devotion", "veneration" or the like were appropriate?
In any event your argument is with the Vatican.
In any event your argument is with the Vatican.Nope. Since I know the TRUTH and I know that the Church teaches that TRUTH, I have no trouble with the poor translation. That you do is your sad issue.
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