Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Right here, for starters. You don't have to believe Paul if you don't care to, that's your choice. But that doesn't change the truth. It says what it says.
-->Pokes bee hive, runs off for dinner
From Wikipedia:
“Dispensationalism is a Protestant evangelical tradition based on a biblical hermeneutic that sees a series of chronologically successive “dispensations” or periods in history in which God relates to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants. As a system, dispensationalism is rooted in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800 – 1882) and the Brethren Movement. The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological “end times” perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel is distinct from the Church, and that God has yet to fulfill His promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future result in a millennial kingdom where Christ, upon His return, will rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum.
With the rise of dispensationalism, conservative Protestants came to interpret the Book of Revelation as predicting future events (futurism), rather than predicting events that have taken place throughout history (historicism).”
Did you not read my post that told you that Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus Christ were all carried away, bodily? It’s hardly a new idea. How old is Enoch by now?
Dang! You saw right through me. The response seems to be to blithely ignore the inconsistencies and contradictions inherent in the sola belief as they are pointed out.
I have a question on the table about water baptism to another poster. Stay tuned in for the answer.
If the same old tactics WORK, then they are "same" and "old" because they are good. If they DON'T work, then let's see them not working.
I can see the someone charging against machine guns saying, "It's the same old tactics, same old automatic weapons." Yeah, it is.
Not all non-Catholics are dispensationalists, isn't that correct? So is it your expectation that we NOT marshall arguments the different arguments marshalled against us? And as to separating, it seems the dispensationalists have separated themselves. Unlike the assaults mounted against us, our assaults against them will try to be against the position they actually occupy, not against one they don't.
And I won't find their position stronger because I have also question the Anabaptist's claim to archaic strength.
What, when you all say we were started by Constantine may I say, "It's just the same old tactics," as a way to avoid the need to argue another point of view?
This implied, without explanation or justification that the Ascension of Jesus was the same sort of thing as that of Enoch and Elijah. That, to me, is a new idea, which I won't take on just anybody's say-so. So I question the use of the word "rapture" for all three events.
Further, and this also is a question, is the notion of rapture all there is to dispensationalism? I think not. Therefore to refer to the antiquity of Enoch's being taken up does not in itself establish the antiquity of dispensationalism.
This may be "the same old tactics" but to me it just seems to be common sense.
Take your time in responding. The Ol' Mizris and I have a date.
Mad Dawg...Enoch’s carrying away, caught up, translated, raptured, whatever you want to call it, wasn’t about dispensationalism. Go back please and re-read the post. Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus Christ all left this earth bodily. I wasn’t talking about dispensation meanings with Enoch, I was MERELY trying to show you that the concept of being caught up, raptured, to heaven is NOT a new concept.
Nope...It's the context...It's comparing scripture in one book with scripture in other books and chapters...
Jesus spoke in parables...Jesus' book is not like a novel where you start at the beginning, get to the end and there you have it, religion...
Jesus created the bible in a way that you have to seek out the truth...
It must bug people like you to hear that uneducated folks like some of us can actually understand the scriptures...
See also: Philippians 3:20,21; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; Titus 2:13.
The question is not IF this is going to happen, but WHEN is it going to happen.
2 Thess. 2:1-14.
Its an oblique reference to an excerpt from Calvin commonly referred to as the "Origin of Specious".
I've REPEATEDLY asked for a term for Roman Catholics that I could use in good conscience that would be acceptable to them.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS FAILED TO COMPLY.
Therefore, their wailing is disingenuous, to the max.
Granted we should not cop-out by calling something a "mystery" when God's word clearly states a particular doctrine. My point was that some want to beat a subject to death trying to put into words a concept that cannot be explained completely or even adequately at some point. There are things we MUST take by faith because God says it regardless of whether we understand it fully. I think some of the theologians of yesteryear, and even today, pontificate in tome after tome trying to explain what is impossible to humanly explain. Their endless ramblings have even been accepted by some as truth on par with Holy Scripture because it just sounds so intellectual. I read some of them and it's enough to put me to sleep. How many words can be used to explain what is humanly impossible to comprehend? I think some just liked to hear themselves talk - not that I am ever guilty of that ;o).
I was casting asparagus, actually. ;o)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess I’ll try and adjust my habit/tendencies.
It sometimes seems like an enormous challenge to post within fitting guidelines that you manage so well . . .
and
still ‘exhort one another daily’ etc. as Scripture instructs.
Then there’s that old KJV thing about PROVOKING unto love and good works. LOL.
But then maybe it’s just the way that mysterious space between my ears functions given all the above.
I certainly don’t know precisely and exaustively, much less perfectly people’s minds, hearts, motives etc.
Yet, SCRIPTURE makes clear that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth [fingers] speak. So, it’s not like there’s NO clue to heart motives, either.
I really don’t have guile toward all of us, any of us made in God’s image. . . . even folks in the rabid cliques.
I do have hostility toward the enemy’s work in and through any of us, including me. And, I’m happy for others to be hostile to the enemy’s work in and/or through me.
It SEEMS like, APPEARS to me . . . as well as a number of others who’ve FREEPMAILED ME over the years . . . that THE LORD has insured that I have some . . . facility . . . for the sort of thing described in post #155’s excerpts from the RAGAMUFFIN GOSPEL
here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2546145/posts?page=1555#1555
It has always been a challenge to me to live within the letter of the rules first and the spirit of the rules 2nd and ALSO exercise whatever degree of gifting and leading The Lord may seem to be urging me to do vis a vis speaking truth into a variety of regular and lurker’s lives SPRINGBOARDING off of individual posts and examples.
I’D GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY further guidance and exhortations you’d have about treading that seemingly extremely narrow path.
By what authority do you presume to speak on what the "Romanists" believe or don't believe? Do you seriously believe tht you can gain an adequate understanding Googling anti-Catholic websites? Even Calvin and Luther had the benefit of a formal Catholic education and still got it wrong.
That’s not the first time Wikipedia has been GROSSLY WHOLESALE WRONG.
I wonder . . . do you also believe the MSM about UFO’s?
WELL THEN!
BY ALL MEANS, CARRY ON!
STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY ETC. . . .
As I’ve noted a few times probably without pinging you . . .
it is a short hand for my parody of all the UNBIBLICAL idolatrous, blasphemous, double standard, heretical garbage woven into the Vatican INSTITUTION AND CULTURE.
Here’s a simple but good question. Why was water baptism necessary for remission of sins? Do you know?
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