Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Notice how they always trash Saint Paul to try and defend their false accusations? I’m sure many would love to see a posthumous heresy trial.
SURE SEEMS THAT WAY sometimes.
Would your father be willing to go through all his relationships with him and lead him to confess forgiveness and blessing over/toward all those people?
But then there is the word ‘Gay’....colors of his coat... And the word ‘Gay’ today... Homosexual. One could hardly use the word Gay today in light of it’s former meaning.
So many stories! So much legend! No hard facts!
How many skulls did you say Peter had? :)
Now after offering the proof and requesting a discussion of same, your thin-skinned side is whining yet again.
BTW, orthodox Christianity uniformly and universally condemns abortion, divorce and remarriage, homosexuality and contraception.
Any “church” that deviates from this moral theology orthodoxy is liberal.
I notice none of you,/b> are willing to discuss this fact. Very telling.
1. OK you know the answer but you also know it would open a can of worms concerning convoluted Catholic "truths". I accept that.
2. I have no idea whal an "ell" is. Could you at the very least explain that to me?
It’s between him and God now.
Only God knows the heart.
All the churches I have had anything to do with agreed except about contraception.
It’s just not a big issue, to me. I think the RC position on that,is pretty silly, over all.
However, I love large families and those led to have them have my support.
Though I think anyone having kids in this BIRTH PANGS right before Tribulation . . . is more than a little out of touch with reality.
And there is that verse giving some oblique support to that idea.
Understand.
I suspect, being RC, he’d be happy to pray the OUR FATHER with you . . . and at the forgive as I forgive part, the question could be asked about has he forgiven everyone.
"What Would God Do?"That's not for me to say, but it's true that demons will try to pull you away constantly; I've read your soul is nagged even after you have died. That's why it's important in life to live His Word ... [and Catholics would add to that] consume His Body, ask His forgiveness through Reconciliation, and pray like a monk to His mother, if we are to stand any chance at all in joining Him in His Kingdom. Christianity is not a 101 course ("I've been saved! I've been saved!"). It's a lifetime of listening, praying, fasting, listening some more, reading, worshiping, doing good works, etc., and if you're "lucky," one of the "chosen ones," suffering with Christ on His Cross.
It's tough to face one of your "ruling class" saying that your church is wrong and then walking away from all the status and power that church gave him. On top of that to be unable to denigrate Mr. Bennett's testimony and the authority of Scripture is pretty hard to deal with. The only strategy left to them is to try and change the subject.
Besides the fact that Paul is being pitted against Peter and James? I've seen many Romanists on this board claim that Paul was not trinitarian and write him off because they believed so.
Is the understanding that Paul's epistles are commentary on the Gospels and not the other way around somehow trashing Paul?
No, if by that one means that Paul's epistles are directly responding to the four books that is not trashing Paul that's just an ignorant statement since Paul was not writing in response to those books but rather his epistles are for the most part letters to churches concerning different circumstances within those churches.
Do you deny that Protestant theology relies heavily on Paul's epistles?
Of course not. Since Paul has the most books of the New Testament it's hardly a strange occurrence that Paul's teachings would occupy a large portion of doctrine. It's also funny that the Romanists claim to have determined the Bible (God is only a secondary actor in this decision) yet are so dismissive of much of it's contents. But what I find extremely humorous is reading posts by Romanists claiming the Reformational doctrine of Scripture interpreting Scripture when it is the Romanists who want to pick and choose which books should be weighted more heavily.
Westminster Catechism: I.9. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly (2 Pe. 1:20-21 Acts 15:15-16)
Are you aware that Saint Peter warned that Paul's epistles were difficult to understand and misinterpretation of them was destructive?
Westminster Catechism: I.7. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all (2 Pe. 3:16): yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them (Ps. 119:105, 130)
Change the subject and attack the messenger!
I should add those to the STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY.
It's pretty predictable.
Over the years though it has been helpful to show some of these threads to family, along with links, to give them a better idea of what different church membership requires.
Please let me know of any I’ve forgotten or that you’d recommend:
STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY:
1. ICON TO BEARING FALSE WITNESS
2. BLACK/WHITE ICON OF DUPLICITY, DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE
3. ICON OF ATTACKING THE MESSENGER
4. ICON TO CHRONICALLY CHANGING THE SUBJECT
5. ICON OF OBFUSCATIONS TO THE MAX
6. ICON OF THE RUBBER BIBLE
7. ICON OF THE RUBBER HISTORY TEXTS
8. ICON OF THE RUBBER DAFFYNITIONARY
9. ICON OF THE RUBBER LOGIC TEXT
If your salvation can be lost, then in the end, Satan has won over the Finished Work of Christ. It's that simple. Does that really make sense to you? And with your It's a lifetime of listening, praying, fasting, listening some more, reading, worshiping, doing good works, etc.
, then you must be "LUCKY" enough to be one of the chosen ones? And if you have not read enough, done enough good works, fasting long enough, prayed hard enough, listened closely enough, etc. enough, then you do not inherit eternal life and Satan has won? I thought Satan was defeated by the cross.
Excellent post, wagglebee.
Let me ask you, when there APPEARS to be a discrepancy between differnt portions of Scripture, what do you think the solution should be?
I've seen many Romanists on this board claim that Paul was not trinitarian and write him off because they believed so.
Do you have links for this?
Of course not. Since Paul has the most books of the New Testament it's hardly a strange occurrence that Paul's teachings would occupy a large portion of doctrine. It's also funny that the Romanists claim to have determined the Bible (God is only a secondary actor in this decision) yet are so dismissive of much of it's contents.
Catholics are "dismissive" of Scripture? How many books are there in your Bible?
Westminster Catechism: I.9. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly (2 Pe. 1:20-21 Acts 15:15-16)
If Scripture is so clear and easily interpreted why do you need the Westminister Catechism to explain how to do it?
Didn’t you just say the conversation was over?
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