Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[Judith Anne]

Their wit is so rare, they must treasure each small instance...

[small voice in the wilderness]

Well, OF COURSE you can lose your salvation. If you do not endure to the end.

In the Dispensation of the Kingdom, that is all true. And more.

But we are not IN that dispensation, Dr. We are currently in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. You have no idea when it began, where it began, who it was committed to, what it entails, what the Gospel of Christ is, how this present dispensation will end, and MOST IMPORTANTLY WHY this dispensation is different. You are on one side of the cross. We are on the other side. Everything changes on this side. For a reason.

[small voice in the wilderness]

OPUS, you cannot BE partially pregnant. You cannot BE partially saved.

[xone]

If Protestants had stuck with Luther they would have probably either returned to the Church within a few generations or been absorbed by the Orthodox.

I doubt it, since Justification is a sticking point out of the chute. Please don't bring up the Joint Declaration on Justification between the Catholics and lib Lutherans. Even that took 400+ years to grow Lutherans who could be co-opted.

[Iscool]

Catholics do not use the termed saved because it implies a one time thing that does not require conversion away from your former way of life.

We use the term saved because we are saved...Right now...No one in the scriptures required someone to convert from their old ways in order to be saved...

NO ONE has the POWER to convert from their own ways until they are saved...

IF you are waiting on your conversion from bad to good, you never will be saved...

[OpusatFR]

They have an inabilty to think past the concerete.

Things like Subsidiarity, Solidarity, and Equality are incomprehensible to them.

[Judith Anne]

I told you to throw that picture of me away!

[OpusatFR]

Thank you and thank your Arm-Chair Church too.

[metmom]

I have a friend who is Free Will Baptist and she also believes that one can, through free will, lose one’s salvation, so this isn’t a singularly Catholic belief.

You know, Calvinism doesn't define all of Protestant and Evangelical Christianity. It seems that a mistake that Catholics are very prone to make is to work under the assumption that if one is Protestant or Evangelical they are by default Calvinists. That is not the case. I've met precious few people in my life who are real pre-destinationist Calvinists.

However, the believer is secure and can be sure of his salvation because of being sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:21-23 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Corinthians 5:5-6 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-15 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

[Judith Anne]

Evidently “Liberal” and “Conservative” are over their heads, too.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Divorce isn't an arbiter of liberalism or conservatism. I know dozens of divorced and practicing Roman Catholics who attend mass every Sunday.

And they're ALL liberals.

[OpusatFR]

I understand your ham-handed attempt at metaphor.

What you don’t get is that a numinous experience is not comparable to a material experience.

Geez.

[small voice in the wilderness]

"...and He says to me, Depart from me ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you."

And I bet they laugh, and laugh, and...

[wagglebee]

However, even Lutheranism wandered far away from many of Luther’s teachings. I think they would have gone to the Orthodox if European politics hadn’t gotten in the way.

[metmom]

A material comparison against the numinous experience is just silly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what Jesus did with much of His teachings?

[wmfights]

Fifty-four percent of Roman Catholics voted for Obama. Forty-five percent of Protestants voted for Obama.

Don't stop there, look at the states that are dominated by RC's. The northeast, Illinois, Michigan(?), they are Rat strongholds. Look at what the RCC demands of it's members. They must submit to their church in all things and must think as their church tells them, just like liberals want you to do with govt. Look at their "social justice" goals, steal from honest people and give it away.

It is a liberal church and it is ironic that it has such a prominent voice on a conservative web site. But then again, conservatives don't believe in denying free speech.

DR.E. I wasn't going to respond because the truth of the RCC being liberal is self evident. I am responding now because you are (as usual) being pointed to as having said something so terrible it offended the sensibilities of posters that are better off on a caucus thread.

[OpusatFR]

“You know, Calvinism doesn’t define all of Protestant and Evangelical Christianity. It seems that a mistake that Catholics are very prone to make is to work under the assumption that if one is Protestant or Evangelical they are by default Calvinists. That is not the case. I’ve met precious few people in my life who are real pre-destinationist Calvinists.”

You expect us to keep up with the tens of thousands of sects in the anti-Catholic realm?

Get real.

[don-o]

I have a friend who is Free Will Baptist and she also believes that one can, through free will, lose one’s salvation, so this isn’t a singularly Catholic belief.

And the FWB's are, of course Sola Scriptura. Just......Hmmmmm.

[RobbyS]

Now this is my personal formulation, and so this is not authoritative, We start with the doctrine of the "Real Presence." That means that in the Eucharist, Jesus is truly present under the form of bread and wine. This takes place actually but also"out of time." with ourselves" present" during the passion of Our Lord in a way that we cannot comprehend. We are participating in his sacrifice, in his redemptive act, by physically taking the host and the wine. but He is" here" and we are there at the same time. IF our hearts are open to receive Him. He is there, but we must be saying "yes. Lord" to " receive " Him in the right way. . As to appearances. Science teaches us that "matter" in the old fashioned sense of the term, is an impression. Even the "atoms" of bread are, if we go deeply enough, illusive to our "touch." If they exist, they exist as God sees them, and not in the imperfect way we se them. Calvin taught that the "power" of Jesus was present in the bread and wine during Communion. Do you you that means anything significant ? Let m pose this question around. If they are only "symbols" of Him, then what is the point of conducting the "service." how is it more meaningful than, say, ceremoniously washing the feet of your fellow church members?

[OpusatFR]

You aren’t Jesus.