Thanks for the links and the background. Interesting indeed.
Here’s the just in update from our own FREEPER WEBBOT JOCKEY WITH:
LookingGlass update 2010-08-20 received 08/20/2010 1:45:47 PM PDT
A new thing has popped up on the outside of my “event perimeter” after application of a new “dating” algorithm:
Stolen Election
Vote Fraud
Rebellion
Civil War
My guess is that this new perimeter is now 90 days (the previous was, I thought, 30 days or so) is the USA November congressional election event. I don’t know if it is going to be discussed with greater frequency and emotion, or if it is actually going to happen.
Again, this just popped up in the values.
If I glue it together: Civil War and Rebellion due to Vote Fraud and Stolen Elections in about 90 days.
Always the bearer of good news, aren’t I?
The earthquake and nuclear terror stuff hasn’t changed at all in intensity, but time perimeter-wise, looks like 1/3rd the distance to the election event. In other words, 30 days from now.
Cheers,
Remember, in spite of Cliff High’s pontifications about archetypes etc., NO ONE—at least no one mortal, INCLUDING HIM, REALLY KNOWS WHAT is going on that produces such results.
One or more of you have written asserting that it is the occult etc. etc.
I am not yet convinced that watching cluster patterns of emotional words on the net, is at all connected to the occult.
There are lots of causes and more potential causes for given words to bloom into larger and larger usage on the net.
It is even POSSIBLE that the globalist powers that be have various exotic technologies at their disposal and cause even some major ‘natural’ disasters.
IF so, they and their minions could be talking about such on the net regardless of internal prohibitions about doing so.
It is a young mostly science with a dash of art thrown in, if my sense is remotely accurate.
In any case, GOD declares repeatedly in Scripture to FEAR NOT. TURST IN GOD!
He also says a wise man sees a calamity approaching and prepares.
If anything beyond curiousity, please prayerfully ponder if God would have you do any further prep.
And, of course, he that wins souls is wise—work while there’s day. The night is coming more and more rapidly.
These are excerpts. The whole articles are available behind the subscribers wall at Linda Moulton Howe's earthfiles.com website at these links [For those seriously interested in the topic, I believe the subscription is one of the better ones on the topic available. I've talked with Linda at some length face to face. NOTE TO all hypocritical, spiteful prissy posting nannies, I DO HAVE WRITTEN permission to post such from her site.]:
March 16, 2002 Farmington, New Mexico - Fifty-two years ago on St. Patrick's Day March 17, 1950, citizens in Farmington, New Mexico - then a community of 5,000 people - reported that hundreds of strange, round aerial craft flew over town, seeming to dogfight and play tag at extremely rapid speeds that included 90-degree turns. There were reportedly several waves of fly-overs, including both shiny silver discs and red-orange objects as well. The next day on March 18, 1950, the Farmington Daily Times topped its front page with a large headline that read:
[2ndary headline reads: "Crafts Seen By Hundreds Speed Estimated at 1000 M.P.H. Altitude 20,000 feet" BTW, The son of and also the former owner of the newspaper is a good Spirit-Filled Christian friend of Joya's and an acquaintance of mine.]
The speed and altitude had been calculated by Harold F. Thatcher, Director of the Farmington U. S. Soil Conservation Service unit. The March 18, 1950 newspaper article said:
Clayton J. Boddy, Business Manager of the Farmington Daily Times and a former Army Engineers captain in Italy, was one of those who saw the unidentified aerial objects, along with Marlow Webb, Parts Manager at Perry Smoak Chevrolet, who had been a U. S. Navy pilot in WWII and was familiar with airplanes. Mr. Webb later owned Smoak Chevrolet and today, at age 78, remembers the strange discs that flew over Farmington on March 17, 1950."Fully half of this town's population still is certain today that it saw space ships or some strange aircraft - hundreds of them - zooming through the skies yesterday. Estimates of the number ranged from 'several' to more than 500. Whatever they were, they caused a major sensation in this community, which lies only 100 air miles northwest of the huge Los Alamos atomic installation."
Marlow Webb
Marlow Webb, Owner, Perry Smoak Chevrolet, Farmington, New Mexico: "I think it was late morning. To the northwest approximately at 70 to 80 degrees above the horizon, a group of shiny - I say shiny objects because I think they were visible only because the sun was reflecting off of them - and I would estimate anywhere from a dozen to a dozen and a half of them seemed to be in formation making erratic course changes. They were not going to the horizon and disappearing. They were basically - oh, I won't say stationary in the sky because they were moving in a good little space up there - but they didn't look like they were on one course going from here to there.
When you say erratic course movements, could you explain that?
Well, normal aircraft would make a curving course change where these seemed to be darting about at - I won't say 90-degree angles - but very sharp angles.
Did they move together the way fish do in a school?
Basically, yes. Yes.
So, they all moved together no matter how erratic the movement?
They didn't keep their same position in the formation, or at least I didn't notice that.
But it would be sort of like a school of fish?
Sort of like a school of fish, yes.
How long did you watch them?
Five minutes or less.
And so they stayed up there for awhile?
Yes.
How many people were with you at the car dealership?
Oh, three or four, maybe.
And everybody was watching?
Oh, yeah. There was no question that the people there could pick them out and see them. It wasn't as though I see something you don't. We all observed it.
From your military background as a pilot, could you compare what you were seeing to anything that you had seen before?
No, I couldn't identify what it was. And I think I gave all the details to the military when they came to investigate it.
When did the military come?
Very shortly thereafter. Again, they asked basically the same questions you are: size, shape, distance, course, speed. It was impossible to judge.
You would infer from those questions that they did not know what had flown over Farmington, either?
No. I agree (they didn't).
So, they were unidentified. And did they make any comments to you about their own concern about these unidentified flying objects?
Not at all. These were interviewers. These were not decision-makers.
In town, among the people who had seen this armada of silver craft going over, what kind of discussions were there back then?
Strictly unidentified flying objects. I heard, or maybe read in the newspaper, that other people had seen other groups later that day."
Another eyewitness also approached by a military interviewer was Clayton Boddy, Business Manager of the Farmington Daily Times. That morning on March 17, 1950, he was showing a couple of Colorado grocery store owners some real estate property downtown when they all watched unidentified aerial objects fly over for nearly twenty minutes. Clayton Boddy is now 85 years old, but still remembers what happened.
Clayton J. Boddy
Clayton J. Boddy, former Business Manager, Farmington Daily Times, Farmington, New Mexico: "It looked like to me like they were silver-like discs going through the air end over end and they were following in a compact group.
In a compact group. And how many do you think you were seeing?
Well, they were extremely high, so I suspect - it's hard to tell - but I imagine there must have been a hundred or so.
OK, and when you say they were going end over end, can you explain that more?
If you were to hold a disc in your hand and just turn it clear over where the top comes to the bottom and the bottom goes to the top, in a circle like that. I thought it was something unusual that I hadn't seen before. I saw something I could not explain.
You had a follow up call from Washington, D. C.?
Yes.
Who was it from and what did they say?
I don't know the gentleman's name. It seemed to me it was from the War Department and told me it was some government agency. He said there is nothing to this. We're running some experiments or something and would prefer if you didn't say anything.
Did you think at the time that the fact that the War Department would bother to call you up to tell you that there was nothing to all those silver discs that you had seen, that that in itself might have been a cover-up by the government at the time?
Well, as I look back on it, it could have been. They probably all thought it was a sleepy little town out west and maybe we were hallucinating! I don't know.
But it appears that if they went to that much trouble to call residents in Farmington, they must have been concerned about something.
I think they were. And, of course, my position with the newspaper at that time was pretty high.
And they were concerned about media attention of these silver discs.
That's right."
John Petty Eaton
Another Farmington eyewitness that morning of March 17, 1950, was Johnny Eaton who was 29-years-old at the time and worked with his father in a real estate office on Main Street. The Farmington Daily Times published a time line about different reports all that day, including "10:30 a.m. - red saucers seen over town."
That must have been the episode that John and his father watched. Not only did they see red-orange discs, but another craft came into view that astonished them.
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[NOTE: HULON PACE in articles below worked for Smoak Chevrolet at the time, IIRC.]
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April 17, 2002 Aztec, New Mexico - A month ago on March 16, 2002, I posted an Earthfiles report in Real X-Files about the 52nd anniversary of a huge, fly-over of unidentified silver and orange disks for hours above Farmington and Aztec, New Mexico, on March 17, 1950. The next day, March 18, 1950, the unprecedented aerial event made headlines in the Farmington Daily Times and The Denver Post.
But March 17, 1950 was not the first fly-over the Farmington and Aztec area. One year before in the spring of 1949 - and very likely March also - Hulon and Geneva Pace and their 9-year-old son, Glenn, were renting a house on Lincoln Street in Farmington while their new house was being built. Hulon, who is now 82-years-old, lived with his wife, Geneva, in Farmington until April 2002 when they moved to Tennessee to be closer to their son.
I met Geneva and Hulon in Aztec during a conference there March 22-24, took photographs of them, received a drawing that Hulon did of the silver discs he saw fly over town that spring. He and Glenn distinctly remember a newspaper headline about a crashed disk in Hart Canyon 11 miles northeast of Aztec in what was then the Farmington Times Hustler. I checked with Times librarian, Margaret Mathers, about the date that the Hustler changed to the Farmington Daily Times. She told me the first daily newspaper came out on August 1, 1949.
I asked her what day the newspaper was printed and distributed prior to August 1. She said in 1949 the Hustler came out on Fridays. So, for example if there was another fly-over or crash on St. Patrick's Day March 17, 1949, it turns out that was a Thursday and the story would have been printed the next day, Friday, March 18, 1949. A crashed disk on a national holiday prior to 1950 was discussed by a military officer described in the "Military Voices" chapter of my book, Glimpses of Other Realities, Vol. II: High Strangeness. So, I asked Margaret Mathers to check the back issues of the Farmington newspaper for both March 18 and March 25, 1949. The newspapers archived on microfilm for those dates had these respective headlines: "Legislature Attempts Disenfranchisement of Navahos" and "Navahos Consider Asking for Accredited Schools." The librarian said there was not a single word in either paper about unidentified aerial objects or a crash in Hart Canyon.
But Hulon Pace, retired now, but former shop foreman at Smoak Chevrolet and El Paso Natural Gas in Farmington, remembers that he and his wife, Geneva, and their 9-year-old son, Glenn, all saw a newspaper headline and read the story about a disk coming down in Hart Canyon.
[photo of Hulon and Geneva Pace taken by LMH]
Interviews:
Hulon Pace, Resident of Farmington, New Mexico from 1945-2002 and former shop foreman for Farmington's Smoak Chevrolet and employee for El Paso Natural Gas: "We saw the story in the paper and the wife and I went to the college up here to locate that paper, but we can't find it anywhere. But it's well known throughout the community here that there was a crash site of a saucer out northeast of Aztec.
In Hart Canyon?
In Hart Canyon, right.
If you go back to March of 1949 which appears to be the month and date that Glenn and I and others have talked about, can you remember what you saw with your own eyes in the newspaper?
There was supposedly a UFO crashed in Hart Canyon. They had a write up on it, but I can't remember how it was worded at that time. It's been so long.
Do you remember anything about the headlines, the big words on the newspaper?
I think it just said, 'UFO Crashes In Hart Canyon,' I believe, is the way the headlines was in the newspaper.
Can you explain where you were living at that time that helped you and your wife remember?
We was in a rental on Lincoln Street here in Farmington while we was building a new house.
You would have been in that rental in March of 1949?
Yes.
When you recently went to the library and have tried to find that 1949 newspaper, what did you and your wife talk about in terms of the fact that it doesn't seem to be there anymore in the archives?
We couldn't imagine. At the time we checked all we could check on it and see why it wasn't there and we never could get any information why it didn't show up there. Everybody just seemed to be blank about it. Nobody had any suggestions or whys or wherefores or whatever."
Newspaper Headline About Disk In Hart Canyon
Not only does Hulon Pace and his son, Glenn remember the newspaper headline, but both father and son associate the headline with their own eyewitness sightings of another fly-over of unidentified discs right before the newspaper story. If so, that would mean discs went over the Farmington/Aztec area both in the spring of 1949 and the famous armada of March 17, 1950. Here is Mr. Pace's drawing of the silver discs he saw over Farmington in the spring of what he thinks was the spring of 1949.
Sketch by Hulon Pace on March 22, 2002 of the silver disks he remembers moving
above Farmington for several minutes in the spring of 1948 or 1949, when he and his family
were living in a rental while their house was being built. The next day he and his family
say the Farmington Hustler newspaper had a headline and story about a disk crashing
in Hart Canyon 11 miles northeast of Aztec. Suspected date of sighting was either in 1948
or 1949 on March 17, and Hart Canyon newspaper crashed disc headline on March 18.
To date, all attempts to find an old copy of the Farmington Daily Times front page have been
futile amid rumors that the newspaper editor was pressured by someone in Washington, D. C.,
to get rid of all copies of the newspaper edition headling about crashed
disc in Hart Canyon outside Aztec.
Hulon Pace: "They was playing around like they was dogfighting or something, you know. About five or six is the best I can remember at the time that we saw them and stood there and watched them for ten minutes or so. Then they disappeared off to the northeast.
What were their color and shape?
They was a silver color and kind of shaped like a saucer. They would turn up on their side where the sun would shine on them every once in awhile and you could see them real plain when they turned up on their side. Otherwise, they would just flatten out and you could hardly tell the color of them when they flattened out. But when they turned up on their side, it would be going one direction and then all at once, they would go another direction not even slowing up. It was amazing!
And what gave you the impression of a dogfight?
Well, just the way they were playing around. I don't know if you would call it a dogfight or what. It looked like they were just maneuvering around each other like our planes sometimes would do in a dogfight, just putting on a show or something.
You don't mean that it looked like some of them were fighting with others?
No, they weren't really fighting, just maneuvering is what they were doing. It was amazing as fast as they were going how they could keep from running into each other."
Glenn Pace, Eyewitness to Unidentified Aerial Disks
Above Farmington Around 1949
Glenn Pace at age 9 at his Farmington, New Mexico home
where he lived with his parents, Hulon and Geneva Pace. Glenn
was born on February 17, 1940 and by the spring of 1949, he had a
paper route. Photo courtesy Geneva and Hulon Pace.
Hulon's son, Glenn Pace, is now 62-years-old living and working near Nashville, Tennessee in the music recording business. The same time his father was seeing the dogfight in the spring of 1949, Glenn was at grade school and saw part of the same strange action in the sky.
Glenn Pace, son of Hulon Pace, music and commercial editor, Nashville, Tennessee: "And we come out of school for recess right towards the end of that situation. And we must have seen them for about 30 or 40 seconds that first time.
What did you see with your own eyes?
We saw the formation up there, silvery discs and they made a couple moves together which I thought was really strange. When these things in the air were all moving in unison together.
Like some people have compared it to schools of fish moving.
Yeah, kind of like that. Like they first moved, they were like over the south part of the bluffs there. And they made a move towards the airport which would have been west of Farmington. Then they made a jog that jogged back over kind of towards Bloomfield, but not very - must have been like over 2 or 3 miles east. And then they moved back over the bluffs, they made a jog back over there. And then from there, they bolted toward Durango. They were gone in just a flash. It wasn't more than a few seconds.
You watched see this with your own eyes?
Right. And I had a paper route at that point. I had a huge paper route.
So, you got to see the newspaper article with your own eyes?
Yes, I did. I remember reading the headline and my mom read the whole article to us all in the living room at the dining table. I delivered the papers that day, too, besides reading the article, I delivered papers that was there. And when I rolled it up, it was right there. You could see it when it was rolled up! It's not something that was a figment of my imagination. That article really existed. How in the world they got them all is beyond me!
Glenn Pace, 9 years old, and his friend, Teddy Brock, on Glenn's horse Nibbles in 1949.
The two rode out to Hart Canyon to see where the disk came down that was headlined
in the newspaper. Photo courtesy of Geneva and Hulon Pace.
You rode out to Hart Canyon on horseback and saw with your own eyes jeep tracks?
Truck tracks and stuff. My grandad had a big truck, so I knew what truck tracks looked like in the sand and there were truck tracks out there.
Then, the very next year on March 18, 1950, you were ten years old ...
Yeah, a year later in March of 1950, we were on the playground and we saw, a kid looked up and saw a whole bunch of UFOs up there and said, 'Hey, look at that!' And we looked up and said, 'Wow, that's just like the other ones that we seen.' But there were a lot more of them. They were just, they moved a couple of moves and were just kind of going slow. And then they took off in the same direction again. They went back towards Durango when they left. But now we only saw the one fly-over. Other people reported seeing more than one fly-over.
On that day.
Yeah, on that day."
Government File On Aztec, NM Disk
Beyond these memories, there have also been leaks by military people and others about the discovery of an extraordinary craft near Aztec with details that sound similar to Glenn Pace's childhood memory of what he and his parents saw in the newspaper. I first saw Aztec mentioned on a list of UFOB crash sites on April 9, 1983. I was in the U. S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico working on an hour special for Home Box Office.
The man across a desk from me was Richard C. Doty, then a Special AFOSI Agent in the Air Force. He showed me an alleged briefing paper for the President of the United States that included a list of U. S. government retrieval operations of what the document called "unidentified aerial craft" of extraterrestrial origin. Some crash locations I remember listed in the briefing paper were Aztec, Roswell and Magdalena, New Mexico; Kingman, Arizona; and northern Mexico south of Laredo.
The Aztec incident, according to other sources beyond that briefing paper, involved a 99-foot-diameter silver disc with a dome discovered in Hart Canyon eleven miles northeast of Aztec in March 1949.
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....The caption read: "A computer simulates the disc-shaped craft as it was seen intact on the ground in the actual photograph."
I agreed not to identify the authors at their request and they gave me permission to excerpt from their discussions with a "witness who was a former military officer. While serving, he said he had a special security clearance that enabled him to access a restricted library (prior to 1970). Due to the highly sensitive nature of the information, and possible risk to this individual, no information is provided which could be used to identify him or the location of the base."
The following excerpts are not verbatim, but were compiled from notes after four separate conversations with the military eyewitness.
"Q: What was the occasion in which you viewed documents concerning crashed saucers?
A: While I was stationed at this particular base, ...the materials library was available to those officers with a designated security clearance and I had the appropriate clearance. I was passing time in the library and I discovered a file on the subject of an alien craft and its dead occupants that had been retrieved. The file contained a report, a separate black and white photograph, and a book by Major Donald Keyhoe.Q: What did you see in the photograph?
A: There was a perfectly intact, circular-shaped craft and it was lying somewhat tilted to one side on the ground in the desert. There did not appear to be a crater or other ground-surface disturbance in the photograph that would indicate a crash, but I could not tell for sure. ...it was stated that the craft was retrieved somewhere near the town of Farmington, New Mexico, prior to 1950. As I could see in the photograph, the material of which the craft was composed was metallic, and resembled brushed aluminum. The report noted this also.Q: Were there any surface features on the craft at all?
A: It was stated in the report that there were portholes on the cabin part of the craft, but they were not made of any type of glass. I couldn't make out this feature in the photograph.Q: Did the information reveal what that material could have been?
A: Well, this porthole had a puncture that was the diameter of a pencil; that was the only defect discovered on the entire ship. Our people tried diamond drills, an acetylene torch - everything they could come up with on the porthole where this opening was located, but nothing would break through it. They couldn't enlarge the hole, either. The material was tougher than anything we were familiar with on earth. But they eventually got into the cabin.Q: Did the report say how they accessed it?
A: Yes, it was described as a chance opening. They had gone over the outside of the craft and could not even find a seam or crack that might indicate the location of a door or other entrance. This led them to focus on the small opening in the porthole. As I mentioned earlier, they used everything they could think of to enlarge this hole, and nothing worked. It was concluded that they would have to somehow gain access through this hole and they eventually did because a door popped open. It appeared from a place where there were no obvious seams or other indications of a door. The report said (referring to the opening and closing of the door) that it was 'almost as if the material of the craft had liquefied and then solidified again,' leaving no clue of the door's location upon closing. If there was a seam, it was so tight it couldn't be observed.[CONTINUED AT THE ABOVE LINK ON LINDA'S SITE]
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Part 2: Aztec, New Mexico - Was Disc Taken to
Building 828 in Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio?
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Q: Did the information reveal what that material could have been?
A: Well, this porthole had a puncture that was the diameter of a pencil; that was the only defect discovered on the entire ship. Our people tried diamond drills, an acetylene torch - everything they could come up with on the porthole where this opening was located, but nothing would break through it. They couldn't enlarge the hole, either. The material was tougher than anything we were familiar with on earth. But they eventually got into the cabin.Q: Did the report say how they accessed it?
A: Yes, it was described as a chance opening. They had gone over the outside of the craft and could not even find a seam or crack that might indicate the location of a door or other entrance. This led them to focus on the small opening in the porthole. As I mentioned earlier, they used everything they could think of to enlarge this hole, and nothing worked. It was concluded that they would have to somehow gain access through this hole and they eventually did because a door popped open. It appeared from a place where there were no obvious seams or other indications of a door. The report said (referring to the opening and closing of the door) that it was 'almost as if the material of the craft had liquefied and then solidified again,' leaving no clue of the door's location upon closing. If there was a seam, it was so tight it couldn't be observed.Q: Was there anything in the report that indicated the weight of the craft?
A: Yes, it was apparently composed of a very lightweight material. The report stated that two average men could lift or move the entire ship.Q: I am especially interested in what these dead occupants were like. Were they described as biological extraterrestrials.A: Well, it said that the two bodies were badly charred. So was the interior of the cockpit of the craft. The report also said that they were about four feet in height. There was no description of their features beyond that.
Q: So, there was no mention of sexual difference?
A: No, no mention of that. But it's interesting that the report said that the clothing wasn't burned at all. It was a one-piece flight suit.Q: So, there was a description of the fabric?
A: Yes, it was some type of woven fabric and the report said that it had a tensile strength of 800 pounds.Q: Was there any mention of craft propulsion systems?
A: There was no mention of a propulsion system other than the idea that their technology utilized magnetic or gravitational fields of the planets to travel in space.Q: Was there anything in the report that indicated the reason for the craft coming down? For example, there have been rumored reports that our military was under orders to intercept and shoot them down. Is it possible that we shot this one down?
A: According to the report, we were not responsible for bringing this craft down. There was mention of a magnetic fault, or opening, or something like that, located in the area where the craft came down. There were three of these faults or openings located in North America: one was located in the Southwest, around the Texas/New Mexico area; one was somewhere in the Carolinas; and one was somewhere in the Northeast sector, but I can't remember exactly where.Q: Have there been more than one crash?
A: Yes, the report referred to 'crashes' and the Farmington crash information was used to relate general information on similarities with other crashes.Q: Are you saying that these aliens are not able to control their craft in certain areas?
A: From the report, I learned these areas occur naturally and could possibly interfere with the navigation of these craft. The way I understand it, they use the natural magnetic lines of a planet and a gravity field to move their ships from one place to another. That's how they are able to make near-right angle turns which our jets are incapable of doing. They can fly circles around any of our aircraft.Q: Was there anything in the report that suggested where the craft and little beings originated, or why they are coming here?
A: No, nothing ... but the report did say that hundreds of alien craft flew over the town of Farmington, New Mexico on the anniversary of this crash. That also corresponded with the celebration of some national holiday. It said that may have been a tribute to the beings that were killed, or they were letting us know by a show of force they had overcome the factor that caused their ships to crash.. . .
While our technicians worked on the craft out in the desert (trying to gain access), other alien ships would from time to time fly by the site, pausing momentarily to view the scene, perhaps to see if there were any survivors. At no time did they attempt to harm our people.
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