It depends on who’s testimony one is willing to accept.
Or . . . how close to such things one has worked.
Please remember
Jesse Marcel Jr is a decorated retired veteran eye? surgeon FREEPER . . . amazingly at his age . . . with IRAQ duty to his long list of credits.
And, there have been other FREEPERS over the years who have affirmed in careful clever ways, their working around such craft and beings.
Don't recall running up against him before.
And, there have been other FREEPERS over the years who have affirmed in careful clever ways, their working around such craft and beings.
Why the cleverness? Why not spill the beans openly?