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Alamo girl has offered another such compilation. I just don’t find it persuasive.

We’ve all got the same text. This exercise, to me, just seems a long and laborious way of trying to show that Jesus couldn’t have said what he said.

NO!

NOT that Jesus could not have said what He said . . .

That Jesus did not say what RC’s

claim He said and meant.

NOT that Jesus could not have said what He said . . . That Jesus did not say what RC’s claim He said and meant.

Of course, that has to be the position of the other side. But this seems to me to be like the non-Catholic reading of the "I am the bread" discourse. If we come to the passages in question with the notion that the papists are wrong, we will come out of the passages with that notion unbruised.

The whole power of the "Here are all the places where 'rock' is used in the Bible," argument depends on a view of the Bible which is not self-evident.

And then, Elsie's list and comments are tendentious. I mean only that there's a little assuming the thing to be proved going on.) It does not necessarily follow from the evangelists referring to Simon as "Peter" before the Caesaria Philippi incident that he had been called Peter before then. And, (I did only skim so maybe I'm wrong here) I saw no account of how Simon son of Jonah is referred to in Scripture are Cephas - in Paul's writings and in the Gospel of John. This at least COULD be understood as vitiating the Petra/Petros argument, by suggesting that "Cephas" was what was said before they started writing stuff in Koine so "Petros" was not a word distinct form Petra but the stem petr- with a masculine ending on account of the guy-ness of Peter.

Etc.

Alamo girl has offered another such compilation. I just don’t find it persuasive.

Er, I don't consider three passages to be a compilation. It certainly isn't exhaustive.

The three were offered as the source for why I said:

Paul was a firebrand and he was also crafty and he was also tender-hearted.

When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. - Acts 15:2

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. - Acts 17:22-23

Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. - Acts 21:13

If those passages don't speak the same way to you, then so be it.

God's Name is I AM.