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Truth does that to a man.

So if a church with all 'it's' teachings aren't real/true, neither is God and Jesus didn't die for all. And that's what you call TRUTH?

I know that Church is the Catholic Church

And many know that HIS Church are individual members who believe on HIM. Christ defines His church as 'members' of HIS Body. You have your faith in 'members' because the church is a member and not faith in HIS Body which is JESUS.

How can one go against itself. If you find the CC isn't real, you will go against HIS Body (Jesus) to atheism. So, again, your faith is in 'members' which is man.

Its the only logical position...

If you are using your logic in this circumstance - no one can argue. You own that, it's yours.

Since we know our ways (our senses/reasoning) are not God's ways....(faith, supernatural, miraclous) - we can't attain The things of God, TRUTH, using natural means. In this case, logic/reasoning.

If this is all about you - then your reasoning will lead you, if it's about seeking God - then faith in Him/His Word and the HS leads you.

I've learned, walking in faith does not come natural - it's a daily deliberate action with RENEWING of our MIND to align it with the mind of Christ. Getting rid of past beliefs, sacred cows. Renew it with His truths, His eternal love, etc. Then we have - not a religion - but a a personal relationship. It's freedom in Christ - the way God wants it.

And many know that HIS Church are individual members who believe on HIM. Christ defines His church as 'members' of HIS Body. You have your faith in 'members' because the church is a member and not faith in HIS Body which is JESUS.

You believe your personal interpretation of "church" and "members," which came out of the Reformation, and I'll believe mine, which comes from the Apostles.