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To: ejonesie22

“Satan’s grip has to be broken first by the exposure of false doctrine and the actions of the enablers of evil and the veil of those taken in by such ripped away before any try at witnessing can begin.”

This reminds me of the time I invited my deaf friend to attend services at the Pentecostal Church of God (Kentwood Family Church) in Kent WA. All of a sudden all attention turned to my deaf friend and they were surrounding her, screaming, yelling, and demanding that Satan loose his grip on her. They were yelling “We rebuke you Satan; come out of her!!!” She was not possessed; she was, and remains, just deaf. She was humiliated, frightened, and confused.

At that point, I started wondering what the heck I was doing in a church like that. No offense to pentecostals. By the way, since becoming a Mormon,I have never witnessed any such horrible spectacle, not even close. Rather, members of the LDS Church tend to be loving, forgiving, accepting, and caring.

My point is that your point is not well taken by me since apparently it is directed to us evil devil-possessed Mormons you have read about endlessly on this very site.

I have said over and over again that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior and I love Him with all my heart. He is my life saver.

But I am not believed. Instead, I am lectured about what posters THINK I believe and they absolutely refuse to believe me when I tell them what I believe. I have posted the LDS Articles of Faith which list the beliefs of my faith but to no avail.

And yes I have been offended and hurt by the horrible accusations and condemnations I and my Mormon friends have endured on this site. The reason I keep coming back (until it becomes hopelessly a waste of my time) is that I don’t want casual readers to leave with the idea that Mormons are really like what the anti Mormons post here.

Thank you.


2,275 posted on 07/13/2010 12:23:24 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: ejonesie22; Dr. Brian Kopp

I was responding to a post by ejonesie22 as follows:

“Satan’s grip has to be broken first by the exposure of false doctrine and the actions of the enablers of evil and the veil of those taken in by such ripped away before any try at witnessing can begin.”

This reminds me of the time I invited my deaf friend to attend services at the Pentecostal Church of God (Kentwood Family Church) in Kent WA. All of a sudden all attention turned to my deaf friend and they were surrounding her, screaming, yelling, and demanding that Satan loose his grip on her. They were yelling “We rebuke you Satan; come out of her!!!” She was not possessed; she was, and remains, just deaf. She was humiliated, frightened, and confused.

At that point, I started wondering what the heck I was doing in a church like that. No offense to pentecostals. By the way, since becoming a Mormon,I have never witnessed any such horrible spectacle, not even close. Rather, members of the LDS Church tend to be loving, forgiving, accepting, and caring.

My point is that your point is not well taken by me since apparently it is directed to us evil devil-possessed Mormons you have read about endlessly on this very site.

I have said over and over again that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior and I love Him with all my heart. He is my life saver.

But I am not believed. Instead, I am lectured about what posters THINK I believe and they absolutely refuse to believe me when I tell them what I believe. I have posted the LDS Articles of Faith which list the beliefs of my faith but to no avail.

And yes I have been offended and hurt by the horrible accusations and condemnations I and my Mormon friends have endured on this site. The reason I keep coming back (until it becomes hopelessly a waste of my time) is that I don’t want casual readers to leave with the idea that Mormons are really like what the anti Mormons post here.

Thank you.


2,278 posted on 07/13/2010 12:28:49 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Sandy the truth has been presented to you about what the LDS truly means when they talk about Christ. You cannot answer for it and know very well that you can't. You are in conflict.

Sure the Mormons are nice, customer service is their top priority. That is why they let you continue to follow your original Christian ways as they slowly work in the incorrect Mormon dogma.

You already have declared yourself a polytheist in these very pages, something that any Christian knows is patiently false, the bible is very clear on the subject.

The process has begun.

The question will be how deep will the bring you in before that little light finally goes off that everything is a little TOO perfect...

2,282 posted on 07/13/2010 12:35:44 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Saundra Duffy; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22; SZonian
This reminds me of the time I invited my deaf friend to attend services at the Pentecostal Church of God (Kentwood Family Church) in Kent WA. All of a sudden all attention turned to my deaf friend and they were surrounding her, screaming, yelling, and demanding that Satan loose his grip on her. They were yelling “We rebuke you Satan; come out of her!!!” She was not possessed; she was, and remains, just deaf. She was humiliated, frightened, and confused.

Greyfoxx39:

I think that's a paragraph worth thinking about. That's the kind of thing which led to my remarks which you found so objectionable. Look at the remark of ejonesie22 to which Saundra Duffy's post is a response:
Satan's grip has to be broken first by the exposure of false doctrine and the actions of the enablers of evil and the veil of those taken in by such ripped away before any try at witnessing can begin.

I may be making WAy too much of this, but that the veil must be "ripped away" rather than merely removed with patience, to ME suggests maybe a limited approach.

Even SZonian suggests that by other means of grace the veil was already being lifted before any actual "ripping" began, while Saundra Duffy's anecdote prompts me to think that the approach on which I was reflecting not only lost these folks a possible convert (while they incurred the guilt of humiliating, frightening, and confusing a guest) but cost them someone who until then was a member.

If "prudence" is the virtue of thinking through the results of one's actions and making plans appropriately, I think I can make a case that the virtue of prudence was not practiced by those folks.

2,287 posted on 07/13/2010 12:53:28 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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