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To: roamer_1; Mad Dawg
That's more than a bit disingenuous. The problem is in the term "dispenser," and how it is being used in this title. The unwarned would see something absolutely different that you describe. They would see Mary as the "Dispenser of all Grace," as in, she is the authority "dispensing grace."

Based on all the prayers to Mary that I've read, that is exactly what the Catholic church sees her as, the one who is doing the dispensing, and that which she is dispensing is the grace itself, not the One who dispenses grace. Any brief perusal of prayers to Mary that anyone can find online, bear that out.

1,878 posted on 07/11/2010 6:20:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg
Based on all the prayers to Mary that I've read, that is exactly what the Catholic church sees her as, the one who is doing the dispensing, and that which she is dispensing is the grace itself, not the One who dispenses grace. Any brief perusal of prayers to Mary that anyone can find online, bear that out.

I stand with you on that. It is certainly how it looks from here.

However, I trust that Dawg is doing his best, and is trying to explain things honestly, as he sees them, too.

1,887 posted on 07/11/2010 7:46:13 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: metmom
Your post 1878 is right.

Paul was given the Dispensation of Grace by revelation from Jesus Christ. Does that mean Paul is the dispenser of grace and that we should therefore be praying to Paul, who dispenses this grace? Of course NOT! Nor more that because Mary was full of grace someone should be praying to her to dispense her grace to them.

How does the Word get so twisted that this could even be considered?

1,889 posted on 07/11/2010 7:51:40 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: metmom
How about this ?

Jesus did not just come physically through Mary but by means of the consent of her will and her faith as noted above. In other words because of Mary’s consent and her faith and consent and her bringing Jesus to the world Mary is the mediatrix or channel of All Grace as embodied in the Person of her Son, Jesus. Without her consent and faith we would not have our Saviour come into the world. Also since Mary received Jesus from the Father, carried Him in her womb and finally at Cana gave Him to the world, she is the dispenser of All Grace, Jesus Christ and therefore she is also the dispenser of every individual grace.
http://www.marytruth.ca/MediatrixAllGrace.htm

This assumes a few things..

1) that Mary was ever asked to consent
2) That if her consent was necessary, and she said no, Jesus would not have been born
3) That SHE had to give Him to the world..
4) That Cana was about HER

That some how though all these assumptions she now handles the grace department in Heaven

The Catholic church contradicts it self so often that Catholics just miss it or just do not see it

On one hand Mary dispenses all grace.. on the other It is thr grace of the Holy Spirit that leads to conviction of sin and justification

on one hand Mary lived a sinless life on the other only Jesus could keep the law perfectly (be sinless)

The church can not keep it's story straight anymore, Mariology has messed it all up

1,929 posted on 07/11/2010 4:34:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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