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To: roamer_1
Well, Nietzsche said God is dead.

No, wait.

Where does it say in Scripture that the modern codes of titles and nobility and all that stuff are retroactive?

Yeah, Bathsheba was a widow in the passage I cited. I wonder if she had been called "queen" before David's death. Even today the wife of a king is not necessarily a queen, as we will see soon in Great Britain, unless the current queen outlives Charles.

I do think you are over specifying. Aside from anything else, a sovereign pretty much can make up the rules if he doesn't have a recalcitrant parliament to deal with.

Me, I just want to be Generalissimo Maximo, IF they won't let me be Pope and Emperor.

Mainly because I bet Generalissimos Maximos get all the Cuban cigars they want.

Maybe I'd better go to bed now.

1,864 posted on 07/10/2010 9:41:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Where does it say in Scripture that the modern codes of titles and nobility and all that stuff are retroactive?

If there is no sense of the office in ancient times, then your argument wrt "Queen of Heaven" has no standing either. :D It is derived from the "Queen Mother" title and definition.

But we do have some proof: Not only of the "Queen Mother/dowager queen" position of Bathsheba, but also of Athaliah: She was a bonafide queen regent, by way of her husband King Jehoram. She was a dowager queen and Queen Mother in the reign of her son, Ahaziah. She lost her title and her rule (not to mention her life), when her grandson Joash ascended.

One might also look to the house of Ahab, and his wife Jezebel, who also is a queen regent who later becomes a powerful dowager and Queen Mother.

We might, on those accounts (and there may be more... my memory is like a steel sieve), assume the same state for Bathsheba, and that the offices of both "dowager queen" and "Queen Mother" as presently defined (along with Queen Regent), do indeed reach back to antiquity...

I do think you are over specifying. Aside from anything else, a sovereign pretty much can make up the rules if he doesn't have a recalcitrant parliament to deal with.

To a degree I suppose. But the history in these cases would suggest otherwise. The way that both Athalia and Jezebel were removed were by succession (before their deaths). To wit: The power of the office had to be removed before they could be killed "legally." As long as their sons reigned, they reigned... or so it seems.

Me, I just want to be Generalissimo Maximo, IF they won't let me be Pope and Emperor. Mainly because I bet Generalissimos Maximos get all the Cuban cigars they want.

Meh. Not for me... uniforms make me itch... and ermine robes are hot. I'll stick to Dutch Masters and blue jeans... and sweet tea on the back porch. There is where one finds luxury.

1,870 posted on 07/11/2010 2:46:04 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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