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To: Mad Dawg
You make up your own language, confusing 'dispenser' with 'source' when the normal everyday usage of the word has no such confusion.

There is nothing in scripture that indicates that any one other than God is the dispenser of Grace...Sometime during that last millennium, your religion invented the idea that Mary was the dispenser of all of the Grace...

So what prompted that invention??? It wasn't tradition...Someone came up with the idea...Who was it??? And when???

1,802 posted on 07/10/2010 1:14:42 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Can you not understand?

GOD is the ONLY source of ALL GRACE! No grace happens outside GOD!!

That’s what Catholics believe! Mary does NOTHING without God! No saint does ANYTHING without GOD!

We KNOW all grace comes from God. His grace flows from Him to us, through us, to others, through others.

You cannot say that grace did not come from God through Mary, because Grace came from God through Mary. God chose her.


1,803 posted on 07/10/2010 1:20:32 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Iscool

There is nothing in scripture that indicates that any one other than God is the dispenser of Grace...Sometime during that last millennium, your religion invented the idea that Mary was the dispenser of all of the Grace...

So what prompted that invention??? It wasn’t tradition...Someone came up with the idea...Who was it??? And when???


INDEED!


1,816 posted on 07/10/2010 3:28:21 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Iscool
There is nothing in scripture that indicates that any one other than God is the dispenser of Grace...

Well, after this conversation, there's no telling what you mean by "dispenses", since so many on your side seem to see no difference between dispenser and creator. And since a common word like "dispense" is controversial, how can I know what you mean by "grace"? But anyway:

Rom 1:7b grace be unto and peace, from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul dispense, but The Father and Jesus are the source.

I Cor 3: (same -- and similarly at the beginning and the end of most of the Epistles)

If by any chance you would think that holiness is an instance of grace:
I Cor 7:14 -- For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving with is consecrated through her husband.

I should rest my case right there.

(I Cor 9:28 - I have become all things to all men so that I might by all means save some.

Is salvation an instance of grace or not? How else does Paul say that he saves except being a dispenser , a conduit, of grace? Paul certainly does not think he is the source of salvation.

On the notion of dispensing:
I Cor 3:3 For you yourselves show that you are a letter from God, delivered by us ...

Eph 3:2 ...assuming you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was given to me for you, ...

Eph 3:14 - end, Paul bows his knees before the father that he may grant the Ephesians many graces.

I think that will give the gist of it.

1,854 posted on 07/10/2010 8:14:07 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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