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To: Mad Dawg
But certainly when I read someone saying that we say you have to be Catholic to be saved, I KNOW that another part of the problem is that an assessment of what we teach has been made on the basis of a compilation and interpretation presented by people who are hostile to Catholicism. So people are against us not on the basis of what we believe, but of what they think we believe.

Disingenuous...You know as well as we do that (at least) one of your former popes made the official claim that there is no salvation outside of your religion...

And from everything Catholic WE have read, THAT position can not be changed...But of course it can be watered down, as it has been...

But no, people aren't against any Catholic for what we think you believe...It's what you say, and what you do that some of us are against, including God...

Many of you say you don't pray to Mary and that's been proven wrong so many times it's outrageous to continue to make that claim...

You guys say you don't worship Mary but one only has to look at what you do to know that you do worship Mary...Maybe many of you don't believe you worship Mary but that would have to be because your religion has skewed the meaning of worship and you guys fall for it...

As far as salvation is concerned, the latest thing your religion has cooked up is that there is salvation outside of your church for those who don't know that salvation is thru your religion...But for those who reject your religion, salvation is impossible...

We don't buy it...God doesn't buy it as far as He says so in the scriptures...

1,164 posted on 07/08/2010 9:21:23 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Disingenuous...
Personal assault and mind reading.

You know as well as we do that (at least) one of your former popes made the official claim that there is no salvation outside of your religion...
Distinguo: He said there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. We do not, strictly speaking, think of the Church as "ours" OR as a "religion."
I still think there is no Salvation outside the Catholic Church. AND it is not MY responsibility if people are so intent on finding some external justification for the disagreement and prejudice they bring to the game that they cannot or do not read what is before their eyes.

Therefore I do not know what you say I know. -- Personal, mind-reading, and mistaken.

This kind of attack is why it is sometimes hard to take some non-Catholics seriously.

1,179 posted on 07/08/2010 9:43:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("I tried being reasonable. I didn't like it." -- Dirty Harry)
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