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To: count-your-change
Rusty pipes or sewer pipes? It makes a difference.

Certainly it does. Let's look at the analogous situation which you bring up, that of the scribes and Pharisees:

Matthew 23:2,3

(2) "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat;
(3) so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice."

Also, if we're going to pretend to rigor, let's be careful. Our Catholic scoundrels are REAL scoundrels. But not all the pipes are rusty. Some might seem to be solid gold.

There's a kind of temptation to circularity which starts with the perception that there are some abuses in the Catholic Church, then disagres with the teaching because of the abusers, and then finally discounts the good pipes because they teach what was taught by the rusty ones.

It seems like a reasonable process, BUT the data are obscured. Sometimes purposefully.

For example I just watched a National Geographic video which attributed the destruction of Mayan codices to "The Spanish Inquisition." Now there may have been Spaniards and there may have been an inquisition, but it wasn't the Spanish Inquisition.

But in this way, the persistent cultural unexamined concepts form an impressions so strong and fixed that when I mention my friends who actually look into the Spanish Inquisition, I am met not with historical counter-argument but with scorn.

"Everybody KNOWS" that the Spanish Inquisition was the focus of evil in its time, so not only does no one need to check it out, but those who do won't be listened to.

In this context, I am not swayed by tales of a few wicked clerics. I personally KNOW wicked non-Catholic clerics whose denominations were as cluck-headed as any Catholic bishop in dealing with them.

AND, I don't believe the liberal media, so I don't believe all the nonsense people take for granted about us.

1,115 posted on 07/08/2010 8:33:14 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Mad Dawg

Do understand what “sit on the seat of Moses” means? If so, what?

“Also, if we’re going to pretend to rigor, let’s be careful. Our Catholic scoundrels are REAL scoundrels. But not all the pipes are rusty. Some might seem to be solid gold.”

Was every religious leader in Israel a “whitewashed tomb”?
Were there none that did anything good?

It really made no difference because those “solid gold” religious leaders that were still in Jerusalem in 70 c.e. perished just like anyone else.

The ‘rusty but good pipes’ were those that heeded Jesus’ words and left Jerusalem before it fell.

The ‘house’ was being abandoned by God, leave it or perish with it.


1,166 posted on 07/08/2010 9:22:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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