Here, better put some of this on it...
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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Do you think that being nearly a hundred posts later will justify or hide YOUR untrue statement?
My post 1814, quoting you: “Every church teachings should be solely based on God’s Word - otherwise, they are no church of HIS...”
My reply in my post 1814:...Great! As Petronski would say, you agree with the Catholic Church.
In any case it is against RF rules to call another poster a liar. Your post 1858 states: “So intentionally lying your way out and using some other freeper instead of confronting the Truth rests easy with you?”
“INTENTIONALLY LYING YOUR WAY OUT” —you posted this to me in your post 1858. I put that in red, so everyone would notice. Not only is that mind-reading, it accuses me of being a liar. Typical protestant twisted name-calling; untrue, making it personal, and blatantly against the rules. I don’t care if the Religion Moderator sees it, I want EVERYONE ELSE to see how some posters flaunt the rules and twist Catholic posts. Which is why I put it in red. I do that for occasional emphasis, the same way some OPC posters do. Why does THAT bother you?
NP, man... And I am sorry about that shoe/sock drawer thing. I know how much you value those argyles. :D
Just poppin in for a sec... Got the whole famdamily over here in a few minutes. Grandkids trump everything, so I will get to the rest of your posts late this evening.
Amen
Excellent post
Jesus did not just come physically through Mary but by means of the consent of her will and her faith as noted above. In other words because of Mary’s consent and her faith and consent and her bringing Jesus to the world Mary is the mediatrix or channel of All Grace as embodied in the Person of her Son, Jesus. Without her consent and faith we would not have our Saviour come into the world. Also since Mary received Jesus from the Father, carried Him in her womb and finally at Cana gave Him to the world, she is the dispenser of All Grace, Jesus Christ and therefore she is also the dispenser of every individual grace.
http://www.marytruth.ca/MediatrixAllGrace.htm
This assumes a few things..
1) that Mary was ever asked to consent
2) That if her consent was necessary, and she said no, Jesus would not have been born
3) That SHE had to give Him to the world..
4) That Cana was about HER
That some how though all these assumptions she now handles the grace department in Heaven
The Catholic church contradicts it self so often that Catholics just miss it or just do not see it
On one hand Mary dispenses all grace.. on the other It is thr grace of the Holy Spirit that leads to conviction of sin and justification
on one hand Mary lived a sinless life on the other only Jesus could keep the law perfectly (be sinless)
The church can not keep it's story straight anymore, Mariology has messed it all up
No, I don't. Perhaps you could give a detailed explanation taking my entire argument into account.
Does Jesus have to bow every time Mary leaves the room? just saying...
All I can say is that I am sure glad I didn’t marry a “prophet of God”!!! Especially one who could get the Lord to custom design scriptures especially for me! Whew!!!
Here, better put some of this on it...
By Golly ejonesie22 you got one right. Yo "presently," do a search on ejonesie's postings the past few years and come back and tell me he's got in his life what any Mormon, or anyone for that matter, would want. That's what should be easy, no? lol.
God tells me to belittle people all the time. I'm being obedient too. :-)
Thanx for your “thoughts” lol
What’s the red x?
No HE doesn’t. ;)
It’s not about a person, it’s about teachings they have embraced. And how will they know, if the deception isn’t exposed.
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places”.
The TRUTH sheds It’s light on the darkness/deception and exposes it.
From my history here you will find I stand for and with Christ and against evil and need not parse and spin my Faith. I also love old BMWs, have a wonderful now 2 1/2 year old who made me a first time father a 43 years old ( I think there is even a picture of him sticking his tongue out around here on FR). I have a great wife, a nice house in town as well as a farm and own several other properties. I am active in prison and inner city ecumenical ministries as well as my community. I am a conservative, fan of Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin and above all RR himself. You want to know what makes me proud and what I stand for you can find much of it here on FR.
II will a casual perusal of you postings show much the same?
Or will they just show some disrespectful clod who haunts the Religion Forum and gets told to try and at least post something of substance, something beyond insults and sarcasm and instead something of value to any such discussion?
Both should be easy, and both should be telling, no? I am proud of every post I make. If you are a person of honor can you say the same?
(Rhetorical question, we have seen your "honor" demonstrated again and again...)
Congrats, you’ve joined the head scratchers club :o)
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