On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters)

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[Elsie]

Amen...

[Elsie]

Please realize that Mary, the Mother of God, is not a holy goddess to me.

Is she in her grave right now, awaiting the trumpet call; or is she alive in Heaven?

[Elsie]

I'd suggest that folks should bear that in mind before they hit the post button, particularly when they "pontificate" on the supposed beliefs of others.

Oh come on, AB!

If we did THAT, then this thread would be only 150 replies long! ;^)

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you for your encouragement, dear brother in Christ!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your encouragement, dear brother in Christ!

[ArrogantBustard]

If we did THAT, then this thread would be only 150 replies long! ;^)

ROFL!!!

If we did that, this thread would never have been posted.

Anyone who doubts the reality of Original Sin and Man's fallen and sinful nature need only look at this forum to resolve his doubts ...

[Judith Anne]

Do you have a link for that cut and paste?

[svcw]

Well, at least you are attempting to defend that lds teaches that without JS there would be no salvation, I am impressed.
If the Bible is true there was no need for restoration.
If the Bible is not true (IE a lie) and there was need for restoration.
lds can not claim both.
Everything hinges for lds on whether JS told the truth.

[svcw]

Norm, which jesus?
lds leaders teach that lds do not follow the Christ of the Bible.
If the Bible is true then there was no need for restoration.
If the Bible is not true (IE a lie) and then there was need for restoration.
lds can not have both.
It is not possible to follow the Christ of the Bible and lds teachings.
The “restoration” makes the Bible invalid.

[Lorica]

Anyone who doubts the reality of Original Sin and Man's fallen and sinful nature need only look at this forum to resolve his doubts ...

As I said three days ago...

...AB, you may note my use of the word "FALLEN"... ;)

Your effort here is appreciated, but reading through the comments so far has provided for a few chuckles as ingrained posting habits are already being made manifest. From questioning who on the religion forum might have voted for Obama, to parsing the religion forum rules, to projecting, to personalizing and internalizing comments which were meant to be generalized; by the time this thread dies, I suspect it will provide a pretty good exhibit of fallen man.

[ArrogantBustard]

you may note my use of the word "FALLEN"

Yes, FRiend ... I do indeed notice it.

[ArrogantBustard]

you may note my use of the word "FALLEN"

Yes, FRiend ... I do indeed notice it.

[MHGinTN]

More important to ask why you continue to lie to yourself ... mormonism is not Christianity restored, it is devilment devised to look like a kind of christianity for those who would fall for the work your way to salvation routine tested on Eve and found to be swallowed, latter day twisted into the convoluted lie that is palatable to those ‘wise in their own conceits’.

[small voice in the wilderness]

it is devilment devised to look like a kind of christianity for those who would fall for the work your way to salvation routine tested on Eve and found to be swallowed

It's a curious thing. 'Working your way to salvation' is found in a thousand religions. They claim to be different from each other, but the first message in each of them is always the same: Works for salvation.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“You did not accuse me personally of lying;

This is correct.

“you left open the possibility that I might actually believe what I say.”

You may.

“However, your characterization of Mormonism allows you to dismiss whatever I might say on the subject as automatically false.”

Yes, in all likelihood, if you repeat what they told you, it will be totally false.

“You have provided a good example of the fallacy called “poisoning the wells.”

No, what I provided is more closely like Hercules cleaning up King Augeas’ stables by running a river through it!

And that is exactly what mormonism needs - the river of Truth to run through it to carry away all the excrement.

You may want to get some floaties, logo.

best,
ampu

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“I’d like to state for the record that Mormons are indeed followers of Jesus Christ”

And I’d like to add for the record, that the Jesus Christ
you follow isn’t the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

Glad that’s all on the record Normandy!

ampu

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“But tell me, do you think that today’s Latter-day Saints deserve the reputation of being dishonest?”

Dishonest, when it serves their purposes.

“Or to put it another way, are Latter-day Saints more or less honest than other people? “

I can tell you that most financial frauds have a Utah address.

If you are asking if LDS are less honest than your average non-Christian, I’d say yes. They repeat lies that will land their hearers in hell, if they believe them. They have a complete heretical fantasy world of man-made works and a tale of becoming gods.

The average non-Christian is watching Sex in the City and drinking beer and enjoying life with none of the deception of mormonism.

ampu

[Mad Dawg]

IF one insists that there was no Church before Constantine, then Elsie's contention makes some sense. If however you see "Catholic" not so much as part of a name but as one of the aspects of the Church, along with the other three, then there can not logically be any tradition which antedates Catholicism. From where I sit, Elsie's view is based on (but does not prove) the notion that "Catholic" is part of the name of a denomination. And from where I sit, that is just not the case and an ecclesiological disagreement. So once again, instead of dialogue or fruitful argument, we are stuck with the boring process of:

Assertion
Counter-assertion, often with decorative fonts.

But we already knew we disagreed, so it's really nothing more but a kind of defiant spinning of wheels.

[Natural Law]

"If however you see "Catholic" not so much as part of a name but as one of the aspects of the Church,"

That is an important observation. Protestants see the word "Catholic" as a brand not a description.

[svcw]

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