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To: count-your-change; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg
Free Will” is a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives. “ (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

LOL they also left out freely!

Free will:

It means exactly what it says.

Now, if the world was made by God and God is in charge, and is a Sovereign omniscient and omnipotent deity, then every second of this existence is exactly according to his will and pleasure. Otherwise it is not his world and he is not in charge.

Now, some may say that God allows man to make his own decisions foreknowing that choices he will make will conform to God's will. Likewise, God will disallow choices that would interfere with his plan.

That's as good as just admitting that everything that happens conforms to God's will, or he is no God. So, what purpose would man's free will accomplish?

971 posted on 07/15/2010 7:03:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50

973 posted on 07/15/2010 7:12:16 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: kosta50
“That's as good as just admitting that everything that happens conforms to God's will, or he is no God. So, what purpose would man's free will accomplish?”

Some may say this, some may say that. So what?

Some people are just unwilling to ‘man up’ and accept responsibility for their decisions because the results were disagreeable to them. When presented alternative courses of action they make a choice and regret the results because they were unwilling to choose a better but more difficult course of action so now they whine that they “had no choice” and comfort themselves thereby.

“LOL they also left out freely!”

They also left out “illusion” according to your previous comments:

“If God decides the consequences of our choices, then the consequences God preordained by necessity force our choices, even if we are not aware of it, hence the “free will” is only something humans experience on their level as an illusion.”

I guess that “illusion” business is supposed to ease the burden of responsibility for decisions made.

980 posted on 07/15/2010 7:44:38 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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