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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Forest Keeper; kosta50; betty boop; D-fendr; TXnMA; MHGinTN
there may be more than one dimension of time

For God, there is no time. He sees your past, present and future all at once. Hence, predestination coexists with free will.

850 posted on 07/15/2010 5:20:17 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50; betty boop; ...
For God, there is no time. He sees your past, present and future all at once. Hence, predestination coexists with free will.

My current take on how both determinism and free will can co-exist has to do with the timing the fall and a decree from God to fix it. What if God permitted an exercise in self-determination for a purpose, and then stepped in with a pre-plan He had to repair it when the damage was evident?

This is simply a rehash no doubt of other arguments about the timing of the decree, but it's where I'm looking at the present time.

Beyond that, I see no way to avoid admitting to determinism. Dr E and B-D have done a decent job of getting me in touch with the argument on their side.

I remain, though, a firm advocate of Christian Unity for I do not believe the church will fail. That ties me very closely with historic Christian orthodoxy, and I consider orthodox independents, orthodox orthodox, and orthodox catholics to be my brothers and sisters. (With some doctrinal reservations about certain doctrines that are not part and parcel of historic orthodoxy.)

853 posted on 07/15/2010 5:37:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: annalex; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"For God, there is no time. He sees your past, present and future all at once. Hence, predestination coexists with free will."

It appears you may be interested in my exploration of the concept of "His 'universal time''". (See my #854...)

858 posted on 07/15/2010 6:47:10 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: annalex; blue-duncan; xzins; Alamo-Girl
For God, there is no time. He sees your past, present and future all at once. Hence, predestination coexists with free will.

That sentence makes no sense. It's like saying "Trees grow in the mountains, therefore I use a fork to eat peas."

God is indeed inside and outside of time - past, present and future. That does not negate the fact that we are living God's thoughts after Him.

881 posted on 07/15/2010 9:55:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex
Truly time is a property of the Creation and not a restriction on the Creator of it.
883 posted on 07/15/2010 10:00:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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