[kosta50]

Hello FK! Good seeing you again as well.

I thought that what AG was saying was that since we all observe and experience creation we all can know THAT God is

Not necessarily. What she wrote is a leap of faith, an a priori, axiomatic, convenient, starting point, and not something we can know for sure.

So, some are able to hear the whistle and some are not, but all can see the whistle

Again, this is a conjecture. I don't see it that way at all because it doesn't have to be.

[betty boop]

What she wrote is a leap of faith, an a priori, axiomatic, convenient, starting point, and not something we can know for sure.

Tell me one thing in life, dear kosta, that we can know for sure — other than the fact that will die some day.

I'll tell you something that I'm fairly sure of, and that is: This little hobby of yours — to raise every possible doubt about the existence of God — also delegitimates the Declaration of Independence, and thus the Constitution of the United States — indeed the entire idea of human liberty and the system of American justice under equal laws designed to protect it from infringement by overweening, power-hungry government. "Kill" God and you get Leviathan....

[Alamo-Girl]

Not necessarily. What she wrote is a leap of faith, an a priori, axiomatic, convenient, starting point, and not something we can know for sure.

Under the rules of engagement for some "for sure" means that he must observe it with his physical senses or reason it out within the limits of his own mind.

But those rules of engagement are absurd on the face.

The theory of relativity is not invalidated by a gnat's inability to comprehend it. Massless particles cannot be said not to exist because they cannot be directly observed.

Indeed, the methods whereby the physical creation is studied involves many things which are themselves not physical: logic, math, physical laws, etc.

According to Einstein, the one who cannot sense the mysterious is dead or blind.

The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all that there is. - Albert Einstein, “My Credo,” presented to the German League of Human Rights, Berlin, autumn 1932, in Einstein: A Life in Science, Michael White and John Gribbin, ed., London: Simon & Schuster, 1993, page 262.

More to the point of this sidebar, that God IS is so obvious that man is without excuse for ignoring Him.

The following passage points to the obvious fact that there was a beginning, a first cause:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20

God's Name is Alpha and Omega.