And FK would be correct. As Paul reminds us...
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:4-6 "For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7
Either God is in control of His creation, by the very nature that God has revealed to us of Himself in Scripture for His own perfect purpose and glory, or there is no God and the Bible is all fiction and we are autonomous, free-willing atoms hurling through time and space with only our own thoughts to consume us.
It's one or the other.
ping to 670. I’ve lost track of the conversation. (Does it show?)
8~)
If man has no freedom of movement in Reformed theology, then it is very close to strong determinism with the apparent exception that it does not consider the mind, soul and spirit to be an illusion even though it would agree that none of those can cause anything to happen.
I think you are missing the poing (again). Read #635.