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To: count-your-change

who did Jesus say was “before” Abraham?


418 posted on 07/11/2010 12:49:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Is this a trick question? Himself, of course.


419 posted on 07/11/2010 1:41:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xzins; count-your-change
who did Jesus say was “before” Abraham?

He is implying (in an odd grammatical way) that he was around before Moses using a simple present indicative (ἐγώ εἰμι, ego eimi) "I am."

But he is deifnitely not suggesting with that expression that he pre-existed the creation the way Septuagint does in Ex 3:14 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν (ego eimi ho on) = "I am the existence."

Maybe that's not what the author of John wanted to convey, but that's what he wrote. The intent of John's Gospel is clearly an attempt to equate Jesus with the God of Israel. Unfortunately, the way he conveys that intent is not always what the author writes.

433 posted on 07/11/2010 9:21:14 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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