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To: Forest Keeper; Alex Murphy; the_conscience; wmfights; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings
Somebody put together a sample of abuse in Protestant communities of faith, hilariously called www.reformation.com. That groups insidents by denomination, and yes, Protestant is understood broadly.

I agree that direct comparison is difficult because much of Protestant churches are administratively independent, have no deep pockets to sue for, keep no records, and do not represent a significant enemy of the secular left.

173 posted on 07/07/2010 5:47:44 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Forest Keeper; Alex Murphy; the_conscience; wmfights; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Somebody put together a sample of abuse in Protestant communities of faith, hilariously called www.reformation.com. That groups insidents by denomination, and yes, Protestant is understood broadly. I agree that direct comparison is difficult because much of Protestant churches are administratively independent, have no deep pockets to sue for, keep no records, and do not represent a significant enemy of the secular left.
As I've said elsewhere, every study I've been shown of "Protestant" abuse (which include many of the websites your Google search links to) included volunteers and laypersons. The John Jay Study did not address these groups when they looked at Catholic parishes. If we exclude volunteers and laypersons from the "Protestant" studies (thereby creating a "pastor vs priest" apple-to-apple comparison), we arrive at a roughly 1% abuse rate for all "Protestant" pastors, or (in other words) at least a four times greater likelihood that any given Catholic priest will be a sexual predator, as compared to any given "Protestant" pastor. And that's according to the numbers and studies that Catholics keep telling me about.

Let me throw in one caveat to those comparisons. I found something interesting when I broke down the "Protestant" abuse cases by denomination / affiliation / theological leanings. The more free will / Arminian / synergistic the theology is, and the more independent the association is (as opposed to denominational affiliation), the higher the abuse statistic goes - and conversely, if you just look at the Reformed Protestant denominations, the number of "Protestant" abuse cases statistically drops off the chart by comparison. It's only the average of all "Protestant" pastors that is around 1%. Some independent churches have statistics that are far, far higher than the Catholic average of 4%.
-- Alex Murphy, April 2, 2008

"(S)hould denominational ratios be skewed by independent ratios?"....AFAIK, no one has ever attempted to quantify abuse statistics to show where abuse runs high (or low) among Protestant, Evangelical, and Independent church leadership. My attempts appear to be the first. And I would agree with you that we should compare apples to apples by keeping it ratios to ratios, and not raw numbers to raw numbers. See especially the thread Teachers Vs. Priests - Unequal Treatment In the Media? in which I say

While 25,000 hypothesized "accusations" is roughly six times the number of Catholic "accusations", 25,000 cases out of 1,600,000 teachers gives us a 1.3 to 1.56% ratio of sexually abusive teachers out of the entire public school system over a fifty year period - more than twice the volume of Protestant pastoral abuse, and less than half the volume of Catholic priest abuse.

If we're after equal treatment in the media, I would expect there to be at least double the number of Catholic news stories as Public School stories, and four times as many Catholic news stories as Protestant news stories based on the percentage of perverts that exist with their respective organizations. IMO the disproportionate amount of coverage is the result of increased interest, when those organizations are caught protecting the abusers at the expense of the victims.

-- Alex Murphy, April 2, 2008

"...the scandal was never really about the 4% abusers in their ranks. The real scandal was that 66% of bishops covered for the 4%, negatively affecting 95% of the dioceses in the United States - actions which cost the Catholic Church over three billion dollars paid in settlements and awards to the victims."
-- Alex Murphy, September 29, 2009


175 posted on 07/07/2010 6:31:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: annalex; Forest Keeper; Alex Murphy; the_conscience; wmfights; Quix; blue-duncan; RnMomof7; ...
Gotta run, but isn't it interesting that a website with the name "reformation.com" is actually a site trashing Protestantism and whose only purpose is to inflate the statistics of Protestant wrong-doing?

Wonder what counter-Reformer thought to sign up for that name?

199 posted on 07/07/2010 9:31:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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