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To: annalex
Do I really have to answer this, annalex?......

All saved men who are on earth, right now, walking, talking, breathing, are referred to as SAINTS. Also those SAVED men who no longer walk among us..

Did you read the scriptures I gave you, or did you just post this without bothering?

1,721 posted on 07/23/2010 10:41:22 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

The point is, there are no saved men who are walking, talking and breathing. You get saved when you go to heaven. Prior you may hope to be saved, have a very good chance to be saved, but you do not know that you are surely going to be saved. Certainly not if you shun the doctrines and the disciplines that the Church proposes directly for your salvation.

I know that St. Paul used the word more broadly and he applied it to living people. That is fine: we all sometimes say “he is a living saint for putting up with X”. But St. Paul never gave us a definition of a saint. TO him, “saint” simply meant a holy man. The terminology we use today, referring to saints in heaven exclusively came after the age of martyrs when the phenomenon of veneration of saints was established.


1,791 posted on 07/23/2010 7:11:39 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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