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To: kosta50; annalex; D-fendr; betty boop; TXnMA; shibumi; GOPJ; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
It's pointless to talk about things we can't conceive. Which is why I always go back to the basic what is God question, not just "where is God not?". We have to know what we are talking about before we can talk about where something is.

Our mortal eyes and minds are limited to four dimensions of sensory perception, three of space and one of time. Not everyone can think in terms of the space/time continuum. Fewer still can grasp it as warped, dynamic or multi-dimensional.

Ditto for conceiving of space/time being created as the universe expands. Or grasping the concepts of null v zero, infinite v finite, eternity v timelessness, form v no space, etc.

Thus rather than receiving the words of God in their full power as if a child, some I suspect filter God's words accepting them only to the extent they can rationalize them within whatever such perceptual limitations apply to them.

In effect, such a person can only accept a "god" that fits within his obviously limited ability to comprehend him. His "god" is a fabrication, an idol of his imagination.

That is unfortunate and can be spiritually perilous; we should recognize our own limitations when we meditate on Who God IS.

Man is not the measure of God.

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. - Matt 18:3

BTW, these limitations of mortal perception and mind I strongly suspect were part of the banishment of Adam to mortality, i.e. God's will. I do not discern them in Paradise/Eden (Genesis 2,3).

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

1,528 posted on 07/22/2010 8:07:14 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50

“It’s pointless to talk about things we can’t conceive. Which is why I always go back to the basic what is God question, not just “where is God not?”. We have to know what we are talking about before we can talk about where something is.”

When we talk about something we are in fact forming some sort of conception of it or already have one, that frequently is the purpose of talking about something.


1,531 posted on 07/22/2010 10:15:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50

“It’s pointless to talk about things we can’t conceive. Which is why I always go back to the basic what is God question, not just “where is God not?”. We have to know what we are talking about before we can talk about where something is.”

When we talk about something we are in fact forming some sort of conception of it or already have one, that frequently is the purpose of talking about something.


1,532 posted on 07/22/2010 10:15:47 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; annalex; D-fendr; betty boop; TXnMA; shibumi; GOPJ; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
Thus rather than receiving the words of God in their full power as if a child...

Why would God create a rational being, in his image and likeness only to demand of him to become like a naïve child?

>i>In effect, such a person [i.e. the one who rationalizes God and refuses to be a child] can only accept a "god" that fits within his obviously limited ability to comprehend him. His "god" is a fabrication, an idol of his imagination.

But a child-like person accept everything dished out at him by men who wrote the scriptures, right? How's that different than finding gifts under the Christmas tree and being told that Santa really did come through the chimney (even if you don't have one!) to leave the gifts and you believe it?

Now, if I wanted to control a whole bunch of people the first thing I would do is make sure they believe everything I say, just like children. Conveniently.

1,545 posted on 07/22/2010 12:30:34 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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