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To: Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; betty boop; kosta50; xzins; shibumi; GOPJ; count-your-change; blue-duncan
You are completely wrong about TXnMA. He is firmly established in the words of God and The Word of God and is my dear brother in Him.

May be I was overly polemical. Writing from the very presumption that I am talking to a spiritually alert man I was somewhat starled to be confronted with Saganesque appeal to pictures and numbers. Hopefully, the reader of this thread will recognize the inadequacy of such illustrations when discussing what man is.

So obviously, I am not the center of universe, not physically and not spiritually. I am merely a part of His body. It is “about” Him, not me.

Thank you for the wonderful essay, but this conclusion is not supported by it. That Jesus took on human form signifies that our human race was the center of His divine attention. Therefore, we are the center of the universe that He created. Now, that does not make Jesus any less God or invites us to NOT focus our lives on Jesus, and if you will center them around Jesus. You are raising a false dichotomy. I don't know if it is scientism or Calvinism you are advancing but it is plain illogical.

Know you not, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you (1 Corinthians 3:16)

1,216 posted on 07/19/2010 5:21:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; TXnMA; betty boop; kosta50; xzins; shibumi; GOPJ; count-your-change; blue-duncan
That Jesus took on human form signifies that our human race was the center of His divine attention. Therefore, we are the center of the universe that He created. Now, that does not make Jesus any less God or invites us to NOT focus our lives on Jesus, and if you will center them around Jesus. You are raising a false dichotomy. I don't know if it is scientism or Calvinism you are advancing but it is plain illogical.

It is neither scientism nor Calvinism - nor is it illogical.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. – Revelation 5:6

That Jesus enfleshed to rescue us is to His glory not ours. God did not "owe" man anything.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

His Name is I AM and Alpha and Omega and The Almighty.

None of those names apply to us.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. - Revelation 4:11

Evidently we will have to agree to disagree.

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

1,226 posted on 07/19/2010 8:42:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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