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To: count-your-change
Would that be a free and perfect will? Or deception and illusion?

Obviosuly Jesus must have believed that using his "free and perfect will" would have been an a mistaken illusion, so he submitted to his Father's will even though for a fleeting moment he thought otherwise. He did what he had to do, not what he wanted to do. What he really wanted was for him not to be tortured and cruficied, like any human being would.

1,198 posted on 07/19/2010 10:00:24 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
“Must have believed”?

“Obviosuly Jesus must have believed that using his “free and perfect will” would have been an a mistaken illusion,

..so he submitted to his Father's will even though for a fleeting moment he thought otherwise.”

One doesn't follow the other. How do you arrive at “Obviosuly Jesus must have believed that using his “free and perfect will” would have been an a mistaken illusion”, from submitting to his father? That in its self was a choice freely made.

” What he really wanted was for him not to be tortured and cruficied, like any human being would.”

No mistaken illusion then, no deceptive perception either.

1,217 posted on 07/19/2010 5:22:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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