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To: count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
Taught by whom?

I guess real Christians. :)

First, Acts 2:36 says "let all of the house of Israel know for certain (i.e. believe, have faith), and then he says (2:37) "repent and ... be baptized."

So, clearly, faith comes before repentance. If you have no faith why repent?! And in order to have faith, one must receive the the Holy Spirit, i.e. be born "from above."

Therefore: faith first, repentance/(water) baptism second/third, in that order—baptism here being the external witness of repentance through faith (spiritual rebirth).

Sorry, you and I lose, since both of us erroneously cited Act 2:37 as the "rule". :)

1,173 posted on 07/18/2010 9:22:54 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50

“So, clearly, faith comes before repentance. If you have no faith why repent?! And in order to have faith, one must receive the the Holy Spirit, i.e. be born “from above.”

A notable effort but not there yet. ‘So faith follows the thing heard and the thing heard was the word about Christ’. (Romans 1:17)

The people HEARD Peter, were STABBED TO THE HEART, asked what they should do (expressions of faith). Peter says to REPENT, be BAPTIZED, and THEN they will receive the holy spirit.

“First, Acts 2:36 says “let all of the house of Israel know for certain (i.e. believe, have faith), and then he says (2:37) “repent and ... be baptized.” (and THEN they will receive holy spirit, don’t miss that!)

“And in order to have faith, one must receive the the Holy Spirit, i.e. be born “from above.”

Not the sequence found there in Acts.

Care to try again?


1,181 posted on 07/18/2010 10:34:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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