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To: count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
Not so. God's spirit gave unusual physical strength to Samson...No megaphones.

I was referring to your specific reference of Apostle being sent to preach and the Spirit speaking through them.

The pattern was repent, baptism, receive spirit. (Acts 2:38)

Sure seems that way, but that's not what is taught. Dr. E, your comments?

Adam was condemned not because it was part of God's plan that he sin but, ‘because he listened to his wife's voice’ (Gen. 3:17) God then responds to Adam's free will choice.

Sure sounds like God is waiting a man's table. Whatever man decides, God goes along. Strange theology. Dr. E, your opinion?

Was it part of His plan for Adam to sin? No.

Oh? He got caught by surprise then? Didn't he? Dr. E?

Then everyone who thought they were making choices was deceived, mistaken?

Yes and no, it seems. Our perception is a deception. If we put too much faith in our perception we believe an illusion. It is a mistake. The earth is not what it looks like to us. On a molecular and cosmic scale, all our perceptions are false.

We can't possibly know for sure what is driving us.

Moses when he chose to side with the Israelites?

How do you know it wasn't God "influencing" his decision? God did just about everything else. Dr. E?

Why that the Almighty's ability to accomplish His will with or without human cooperation, despite anyone’s free will decisions would be called “second guessing his own creation” is a mystery

Because you haven't explained how the Almighty might accomplish his Plan as he wills is if he is too busy accommodating every oneles' free will.

You say that God did not Plan for Adam to sin? So, then, God was wrong, because Adam went against his plan and sinned. Dr. E in your opinion did God plan for Adam to sin or did he just accept whatever Adam dished out?

The Israelites could choose to accept God's covenant as He said at Ex. 19:1-9, “IF you will obey my voice THEN you will become...”

That's not an if they don't then God has to scrap his plan, but "if you don't then I will bring evil upon you until you change your mind and do as I want you to do!"

Why would we assume God wants us to act on an “illusion”?

He doesn't. Everything in the Bible seems to suggest that he wants his people to follow his will and not their will (perhaps because their will is an illusion), unless their will is the same as his will.

1,160 posted on 07/18/2010 4:54:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
“I was referring to your specific reference of Apostle being sent to preach and the Spirit speaking through them.”

Still no megaphones.

“Sure seems that way, but that's not what is taught. Dr. E, your comments?”

Taught by whom?

“Sure sounds like God is waiting a man's table. Whatever man decides, God goes along. Strange theology. Dr. E, your opinion?”

“Oh? He got caught by surprise then? Didn't he? Dr. E?”

Nothing there in Scriptures says He was caught by surprise, but maybe you can point something out?

Your conclusion, not something taught by the Scriptures.

“Yes and no, it seems. Our perception is a deception. If we put too much faith in our perception we believe an illusion. It is a mistake. The earth is not what it looks like to us. On a molecular and cosmic scale, all our perceptions are false.”

Yes and No, it seems? Maybe that's a deception of your perception. What is too much faith? too little?

“The earth is not what it looks like to us. On a molecular and cosmic scale, all our perceptions are false.”

If all your perceptions are deception, how would you know?

“We can't possibly know for sure what is driving us.”

That's one of those untrustworthy perceptions. isn't it?
Or is it the Inner Freud?

“Because you haven't explained how the Almighty might accomplish his Plan as he wills is if he is too busy accommodating every oneles’ free will.

You say that God did not Plan for Adam to sin? So, then, God was wrong, because Adam went against his plan and sinned. Dr. E in your opinion did God plan for Adam to sin or did he just accept whatever Adam dished out?”

Being Almighty means being All mighty. and “You say that God did not Plan for Adam to sin? So, then, God was wrong, because Adam went against his plan and sinned.” is another of those many false conclusions. One doesn't follow the other.

“That's not an if they don't then God has to scrap his plan, but “if you don't then I will bring evil upon you until you change your mind and do as I want you to do!”

It was a choice presented to them and I cited it as such.

“He doesn't. Everything in the Bible seems to suggest that he wants his people to follow his will and not their will (perhaps because their will is an illusion), unless their will is the same as his will.”

Their will is an illusion but so long as it's the same as His, no problem???? Now THAT is strange theology!!!

1,169 posted on 07/18/2010 7:47:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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